Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi Odi, Have you ever tried to exclude God ? How can you believe that others can do that ? Is God Odysseus inclusive but the 'others' God exclusive. And maybe you can tell me another thing, how do you manage to love God ? Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > God is not a concept. It is the one that creates the concepts. > God is not the thinking process. He is the creator of thoughts. > God is not death. He has created death. > God hold the whole univers in his hands and controles it at will. > God is my Lord and my Love. And all bow to him every day and > everynight... like it or not. Devils or angels, humans or demons. > He makes them dance at his will. > God's sustain the whole creation because he is the creator. > No one can see his face and live( bible ) as poor human being we > made ourselves gods and see the results. Hell. We created hell. > God gives us free will and we kill each other. Wars, killing, > violence, etc. You think he created all that? No! He absolutly > didn't. We did. It is important to understand that without God all > that we are going to do is fail. > > > Awakening to the Self is to get more close to God. > Yoga means union with God. > Jnana Yoga means union with God using the mind or intellect as > oppose to Karma and Bhakti yoga. > > If you exclude God... you are done !!!! > You become a Half baked dude. > > > With much love and respect. > Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Odi, > > Have you ever tried to exclude God? Odysseus: Yes and I failed. He kiked my butt big time! How can you believe that others can do that? Odysseus: Most do. I don't know if you do. Is God Odysseus inclusive but the 'others' God > exclusive. Odysseus: No God is all. > > And maybe you can tell me another thing, how do you manage to love > God ? Odysseus: Did you love J. Krishnamurti, or still love him or... how did you manage your love to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 ilikezen2004 wrote: > > > God is not a concept. It is the one that creates the concepts. > God is not the thinking process. He is the creator of thoughts. > God is not death. He has created death. > God hold the whole univers in his hands and controles it at will. > God is my Lord and my Love. And all bow to him every day and > everynight... like it or not. Devils or angels, humans or demons. > He makes them dance at his will. > God's sustain the whole creation because he is the creator. > No one can see his face and live( bible ) as poor human being we > made ourselves gods and see the results. Hell. We created hell. > God gives us free will and we kill each other. Wars, killing, > violence, etc. You think he created all that? No! He absolutly > didn't. We did. It is important to understand that without God all > that we are going to do is fail. > > > Awakening to the Self is to get more close to God. > Yoga means union with God. > Jnana Yoga means union with God using the mind or intellect as > oppose to Karma and Bhakti yoga. > > If you exclude God... you are done !!!! > You become a Half baked dude. > > > With much love and respect. > Odysseus, Wonderful Odysseus. Simply wonderful. It is refreshing that you have spoken as you are. Thank you. You may face objections on many counts, Odysseus and I am sure you are able to handle them. The following are not objections. They are sincere questions seeking to know your experience. I find God as ultimately unknowable as I do all things. I am able to make stories about God from what I learn from others and through experience in trying to be one with God as others have described and from those experiences, I can imagine. For me, any description of God would be only an approximation to experience and I am completely unable to imagine God's will. So, it is curious to me that you have said that God holds the whole universe in his hands and controls it at Will, makes others dance at His Will, that He creates thoughts. And He gives us free will and with that gift we create hell, wars, killing, violence, etc. What does God do in the meantime as we destroy ourselves in the many ways that we do? Can God do anything to prevent free will from being exercised as it is? What is God's purpose in creating and then allowing all of this? Is God omnipotent or is God helpless before his creation unable to do anything? Does God create thoughts in us to guide us and are some impervious to such thoughts, condemned to being half-baked and ready for the fire? Please tell me of God and what God does in the world each moment. Thanks, Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi Odi, God kicked your butt, how comes ? God is not different from your butt, they are the same. You asked me how I loved K ? I never did. Have you ever watched videos of Osho interacting with some of his follwers ? How incredible hysterical and sucking their " love " for him has been ? Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Odi, > > > > Have you ever tried to exclude God? > > Odysseus: Yes and I failed. He kiked my butt big time! > > How can you believe that others can do that? > > Odysseus: Most do. I don't know if you do. > > Is God Odysseus inclusive but the 'others' God > > exclusive. > > Odysseus: No God is all. > > > > And maybe you can tell me another thing, how do you manage to love > > God ? > > Odysseus: Did you love J. Krishnamurti, or still love him or... how > did you manage your love to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Odi, > > God kicked your butt, how comes ? God is not different from your > butt, they are the same. Odysseus: Ohh you think so? Take your right hand and slap yourself very very hard on the cheek. Then I will tell you how is it possible for you to do that? Are you and yourself the same? > > You asked me how I loved K ? I never did. Have you ever watched > videos of Osho interacting with some of his follwers ? How incredible hysterical and sucking their " love " for him has been ? > Odysseus: I didn't see any videos.:0( But I can easily imagine what you mean. I don't approve that kind of approche. Because immediatly there is an unhealthy relationship that starts to be born. I cannot judge him. I only red few pages about his wisdom and awakening. For me he is awaken, or enlighten. and for his behavior I do not approve at all as I don't approve at all Da free john's behavior either. Love Odysseus, P.S. as Muktananda when one of his followers caught him with a young boy. Hope he didn't try a chicken! ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 God is not a concept. It is the one that creates the concepts. God is not the thinking process. He is the creator of thoughts. God is not death. He has created death. God hold the whole univers in his hands and controles it at will. God is my Lord and my Love. And all bow to him every day and everynight... like it or not. Devils or angels, humans or demons. He makes them dance at his will. God's sustain the whole creation because he is the creator. No one can see his face and live( bible ) as poor human being we made ourselves gods and see the results. Hell. We created hell. God gives us free will and we kill each other. Wars, killing, violence, etc. You think he created all that? No! He absolutly didn't. We did. It is important to understand that without God all that we are going to do is fail. Awakening to the Self is to get more close to God. Yoga means union with God. Jnana Yoga means union with God using the mind or intellect as oppose to Karma and Bhakti yoga. If you exclude God... you are done !!!! You become a Half baked dude. With much love and respect. Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi Odi, Have you ever tried to exclude God ? How can you believe that others can do that ? Is God Odysseus inclusive but the 'others' God exclusive. And maybe you can tell me another thing, how do you manage to love God ? Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > God is not a concept. It is the one that creates the concepts. > God is not the thinking process. He is the creator of thoughts. > God is not death. He has created death. > God hold the whole univers in his hands and controles it at will. > God is my Lord and my Love. And all bow to him every day and > everynight... like it or not. Devils or angels, humans or demons. > He makes them dance at his will. > God's sustain the whole creation because he is the creator. > No one can see his face and live( bible ) as poor human being we > made ourselves gods and see the results. Hell. We created hell. > God gives us free will and we kill each other. Wars, killing, > violence, etc. You think he created all that? No! He absolutly > didn't. We did. It is important to understand that without God all > that we are going to do is fail. > > > Awakening to the Self is to get more close to God. > Yoga means union with God. > Jnana Yoga means union with God using the mind or intellect as > oppose to Karma and Bhakti yoga. > > If you exclude God... you are done !!!! > You become a Half baked dude. > > > With much love and respect. > Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Odi, > > Have you ever tried to exclude God? Odysseus: Yes and I failed. He kiked my butt big time! How can you believe that others can do that? Odysseus: Most do. I don't know if you do. Is God Odysseus inclusive but the 'others' God > exclusive. Odysseus: No God is all. > > And maybe you can tell me another thing, how do you manage to love > God ? Odysseus: Did you love J. Krishnamurti, or still love him or... how did you manage your love to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 ilikezen2004 wrote: > > > God is not a concept. It is the one that creates the concepts. > God is not the thinking process. He is the creator of thoughts. > God is not death. He has created death. > God hold the whole univers in his hands and controles it at will. > God is my Lord and my Love. And all bow to him every day and > everynight... like it or not. Devils or angels, humans or demons. > He makes them dance at his will. > God's sustain the whole creation because he is the creator. > No one can see his face and live( bible ) as poor human being we > made ourselves gods and see the results. Hell. We created hell. > God gives us free will and we kill each other. Wars, killing, > violence, etc. You think he created all that? No! He absolutly > didn't. We did. It is important to understand that without God all > that we are going to do is fail. > > > Awakening to the Self is to get more close to God. > Yoga means union with God. > Jnana Yoga means union with God using the mind or intellect as > oppose to Karma and Bhakti yoga. > > If you exclude God... you are done !!!! > You become a Half baked dude. > > > With much love and respect. > Odysseus, Wonderful Odysseus. Simply wonderful. It is refreshing that you have spoken as you are. Thank you. You may face objections on many counts, Odysseus and I am sure you are able to handle them. The following are not objections. They are sincere questions seeking to know your experience. I find God as ultimately unknowable as I do all things. I am able to make stories about God from what I learn from others and through experience in trying to be one with God as others have described and from those experiences, I can imagine. For me, any description of God would be only an approximation to experience and I am completely unable to imagine God's will. So, it is curious to me that you have said that God holds the whole universe in his hands and controls it at Will, makes others dance at His Will, that He creates thoughts. And He gives us free will and with that gift we create hell, wars, killing, violence, etc. What does God do in the meantime as we destroy ourselves in the many ways that we do? Can God do anything to prevent free will from being exercised as it is? What is God's purpose in creating and then allowing all of this? Is God omnipotent or is God helpless before his creation unable to do anything? Does God create thoughts in us to guide us and are some impervious to such thoughts, condemned to being half-baked and ready for the fire? Please tell me of God and what God does in the world each moment. Thanks, Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi Odi, God kicked your butt, how comes ? God is not different from your butt, they are the same. You asked me how I loved K ? I never did. Have you ever watched videos of Osho interacting with some of his follwers ? How incredible hysterical and sucking their " love " for him has been ? Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Odi, > > > > Have you ever tried to exclude God? > > Odysseus: Yes and I failed. He kiked my butt big time! > > How can you believe that others can do that? > > Odysseus: Most do. I don't know if you do. > > Is God Odysseus inclusive but the 'others' God > > exclusive. > > Odysseus: No God is all. > > > > And maybe you can tell me another thing, how do you manage to love > > God ? > > Odysseus: Did you love J. Krishnamurti, or still love him or... how > did you manage your love to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Odi, > > God kicked your butt, how comes ? God is not different from your > butt, they are the same. Odysseus: Ohh you think so? Take your right hand and slap yourself very very hard on the cheek. Then I will tell you how is it possible for you to do that? Are you and yourself the same? > > You asked me how I loved K ? I never did. Have you ever watched > videos of Osho interacting with some of his follwers ? How incredible hysterical and sucking their " love " for him has been ? > Odysseus: I didn't see any videos.:0( But I can easily imagine what you mean. I don't approve that kind of approche. Because immediatly there is an unhealthy relationship that starts to be born. I cannot judge him. I only red few pages about his wisdom and awakening. For me he is awaken, or enlighten. and for his behavior I do not approve at all as I don't approve at all Da free john's behavior either. Love Odysseus, P.S. as Muktananda when one of his followers caught him with a young boy. Hope he didn't try a chicken! ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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