Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Tolle ============ " Choice implies consciousness - a high degree of consciousness. Without it, I have no choice. Choice begins the moment I dis-identify from my mind and its conditioned patterns, the moment I become Self-present. Until I reach that point, I'm unconscious, spiritually speaking. This means that I'm compelled to think, feel, and act in certain ways according to the conditioning of my mind. Nobody consciously chooses dis-function, conflict, and pain. Nobody chooses insanity. They happen because there isn't enough conscious Self-presence to dissolve the past, not enough light to dispel the darkness. ....... As long as my mind (with its conditioned patterns) runs my life, what choice do I have? NONE! I'm not even there yet, and I won't be there until I become Self- conscious. THE MIND-IDENTIFIED STATE IS SEVERELY DIS-FUNCTIONAL. ...... =============== Kenji: >>> ** Arvind, THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS CONSTRUCTED BY MIND. Identification, disidentification, resentment, bondage, conditioning, patterns, etc.--all of it, including the sufferer of it and the supposed remedy, which you call " Self-present, higher consciousness. " [........] Dear Kenji, Looks like, you meant your comments for the writer of this passage, who is ...Tolle. I wish, Tolle was here to read ...'your' analysis or if it was possible for me to mail him your `analysis' But, if in fact, you have respect for Tolle and think that he is ENLIGHTENED, ...very genuine, authentic, deep, real and insightful and wrote the above just because ...you thought, it was from someone else, ... Perhaps, it is time you do a DEEP Analysis of ...YOUR Analysis ! With warm regards, ac. .. Kenji: > > Yet you speak of 'mind' as if it is something separate, > something > other than what it has manufactured. Is that a fact? Is that > possible? > > Really, isn't it a mind-trick to keep the whole self- > replicating, > circular game going? Now there's another level of falsity-- > a me, an observer, a believer or disbeliever in the previous > constructions/imaginings, an entity or process > that can assess, struggle, try to realign it in > accordance with spiritual teachings--in a effort to get 'free' > of it. > > The question is: can you be quick enough, alert enough to > catch it as it's happening? Can you be fully that awareness > that doesn't require bringing in anything from memory, in the > form of teachings, knowledge or experience? > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Tolle > > ============ > " Choice implies consciousness - a high degree of consciousness. > Without it, I have no choice. > > Choice begins the moment I dis-identify from my mind and its > conditioned patterns, the moment I become Self-present. Until I reach > that point, I'm unconscious, spiritually speaking. > > This means that I'm compelled to think, feel, and act in certain ways > according to the conditioning of my mind. > > Nobody consciously chooses dis-function, conflict, and pain. Nobody > chooses insanity. They happen because > there isn't enough conscious Self-presence to dissolve the past, not > enough light to dispel the darkness. > > ...... > > As long as my mind (with its conditioned patterns) runs my life, what > choice do I have? NONE! > > I'm not even there yet, and I won't be there until I become Self- > conscious. > > THE MIND-IDENTIFIED STATE IS SEVERELY DIS-FUNCTIONAL. > > ..... > > =============== > > > > Kenji: > > >>> ** Arvind, THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS CONSTRUCTED BY MIND. > > Identification, disidentification, resentment, bondage, conditioning, > patterns, etc.--all of it, including the sufferer of it and the > supposed remedy, which you call " Self-present, higher consciousness. " > > [........] > > Dear Kenji, > > Looks like, you meant your comments for the writer of this passage, > who is ...Tolle. > > I wish, Tolle was here to read ...'your' analysis or if it was > possible for me to mail him your `analysis' > > > But, if in fact, you have respect for Tolle and think that he is > ENLIGHTENED, ...very genuine, authentic, deep, real and insightful > and wrote the above just because ...you thought, it was from someone > else, ... > > > Perhaps, it is time you do a DEEP Analysis of ...YOUR Analysis ! > > > With warm regards, > ac. > Hey AC -- I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, and deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? Regards, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Tolle > > > > ============ > > " Choice implies consciousness - a high degree of consciousness. > > Without it, I have no choice. > > > > Choice begins the moment I dis-identify from my mind and its > > conditioned patterns, the moment I become Self-present. Until I > reach > > that point, I'm unconscious, spiritually speaking. > > > > This means that I'm compelled to think, feel, and act in certain > ways > > according to the conditioning of my mind. > > > > Nobody consciously chooses dis-function, conflict, and pain. > Nobody > > chooses insanity. They happen because > > there isn't enough conscious Self-presence to dissolve the past, > not > > enough light to dispel the darkness. > > > > ...... > > > > As long as my mind (with its conditioned patterns) runs my life, > what > > choice do I have? NONE! > > > > I'm not even there yet, and I won't be there until I become Self- > > conscious. > > > > THE MIND-IDENTIFIED STATE IS SEVERELY DIS-FUNCTIONAL. > > > > ..... > > > > =============== > > > > > > > > Kenji: > > > > >>> ** Arvind, THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS CONSTRUCTED BY MIND. > > > > Identification, disidentification, resentment, bondage, > conditioning, > > patterns, etc.--all of it, including the sufferer of it and the > > supposed remedy, which you call " Self-present, higher > consciousness. " > > > > [........] > > > > Dear Kenji, > > > > Looks like, you meant your comments for the writer of this > passage, > > who is ...Tolle. > > > > I wish, Tolle was here to read ...'your' analysis or if it was > > possible for me to mail him your `analysis' > > > > > > But, if in fact, you have respect for Tolle and think that he is > > ENLIGHTENED, ...very genuine, authentic, deep, real and insightful > > and wrote the above just because ...you thought, it was from > someone > > else, ... > > > > > > Perhaps, it is time you do a DEEP Analysis of ...YOUR Analysis ! > > > > > > With warm regards, > > ac. > > > > Hey AC -- > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, and > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > Regards, > Joe Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! .. .... ...... Difference is in just: ---- Being --- versus, Creating a `world' and then continuously trying to live in ...this Self-Created World !!@! PS: Why are you speaking for Kenji >? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Hey AC -- > > > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, > and > > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > > > Regards, > > Joe > > Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. :-) Carry on. > > but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created > maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! No such attempt ever happens. > > PS: Why are you speaking for Kenji >? Bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Hey AC -- > > > > > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, > > and > > > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Joe > > > > Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. > > :-) Carry on. Thank you Mate !!!! ....and, do you want to " carry on " with suffering is ...THE ONLY Reality ? > > > > > > but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created > > maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! > > No such attempt ever happens. You mean, " you " have already put it in ...'auto' Mode !?! .. .... ...... ....and, now, you need to do No More than some Periodic Maintenance. > > > > > PS: Why are you speaking for Kenji >? > > Bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Hey AC -- > > > > > > > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, > authentic, > > > and > > > > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Joe > > > > > > Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. > > > > :-) Carry on. > > > Thank you Mate !!!! > > ...and, do you want to " carry on " with suffering is ...THE ONLY > Reality ? > > > > > > > > > > > > but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created > > > maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! > > > > No such attempt ever happens. > > > You mean, " you " have already put it in ...'auto' Mode !?! > > . > ... > ..... > > ...and, now, you need to do No More than some Periodic Maintenance. I'm not interested in either of these. Utterances about needing to do something or not do something don't hold meaning somehow. It's hard to explain. It's not a special state of mind or being, but rather all of these things, ideas, conquests... whatever, just don't mean anything. It's seen to be like a little play, playing house with some dolls. The dichotomies also don't hold weight. I could be deluded to the max! I can only say what's true for me. I don't even feel like what I'm saying fits into any specific " spiritual model " and I don't feel the slightest urge to fit what I'm saying into anything. The seeking of validation is gone (for now). See ya Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Tolle ============ " Choice implies consciousness - a high degree of consciousness. Without it, I have no choice. Choice begins the moment I dis-identify from my mind and its conditioned patterns, the moment I become Self-present. Until I reach that point, I'm unconscious, spiritually speaking. This means that I'm compelled to think, feel, and act in certain ways according to the conditioning of my mind. Nobody consciously chooses dis-function, conflict, and pain. Nobody chooses insanity. They happen because there isn't enough conscious Self-presence to dissolve the past, not enough light to dispel the darkness. ....... As long as my mind (with its conditioned patterns) runs my life, what choice do I have? NONE! I'm not even there yet, and I won't be there until I become Self- conscious. THE MIND-IDENTIFIED STATE IS SEVERELY DIS-FUNCTIONAL. ...... =============== Kenji: >>> ** Arvind, THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS CONSTRUCTED BY MIND. Identification, disidentification, resentment, bondage, conditioning, patterns, etc.--all of it, including the sufferer of it and the supposed remedy, which you call " Self-present, higher consciousness. " [........] Dear Kenji, Looks like, you meant your comments for the writer of this passage, who is ...Tolle. I wish, Tolle was here to read ...'your' analysis or if it was possible for me to mail him your `analysis' But, if in fact, you have respect for Tolle and think that he is ENLIGHTENED, ...very genuine, authentic, deep, real and insightful and wrote the above just because ...you thought, it was from someone else, ... Perhaps, it is time you do a DEEP Analysis of ...YOUR Analysis ! With warm regards, ac. .. Kenji: > > Yet you speak of 'mind' as if it is something separate, > something > other than what it has manufactured. Is that a fact? Is that > possible? > > Really, isn't it a mind-trick to keep the whole self- > replicating, > circular game going? Now there's another level of falsity-- > a me, an observer, a believer or disbeliever in the previous > constructions/imaginings, an entity or process > that can assess, struggle, try to realign it in > accordance with spiritual teachings--in a effort to get 'free' > of it. > > The question is: can you be quick enough, alert enough to > catch it as it's happening? Can you be fully that awareness > that doesn't require bringing in anything from memory, in the > form of teachings, knowledge or experience? > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Tolle > > ============ > " Choice implies consciousness - a high degree of consciousness. > Without it, I have no choice. > > Choice begins the moment I dis-identify from my mind and its > conditioned patterns, the moment I become Self-present. Until I reach > that point, I'm unconscious, spiritually speaking. > > This means that I'm compelled to think, feel, and act in certain ways > according to the conditioning of my mind. > > Nobody consciously chooses dis-function, conflict, and pain. Nobody > chooses insanity. They happen because > there isn't enough conscious Self-presence to dissolve the past, not > enough light to dispel the darkness. > > ...... > > As long as my mind (with its conditioned patterns) runs my life, what > choice do I have? NONE! > > I'm not even there yet, and I won't be there until I become Self- > conscious. > > THE MIND-IDENTIFIED STATE IS SEVERELY DIS-FUNCTIONAL. > > ..... > > =============== > > > > Kenji: > > >>> ** Arvind, THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS CONSTRUCTED BY MIND. > > Identification, disidentification, resentment, bondage, conditioning, > patterns, etc.--all of it, including the sufferer of it and the > supposed remedy, which you call " Self-present, higher consciousness. " > > [........] > > Dear Kenji, > > Looks like, you meant your comments for the writer of this passage, > who is ...Tolle. > > I wish, Tolle was here to read ...'your' analysis or if it was > possible for me to mail him your `analysis' > > > But, if in fact, you have respect for Tolle and think that he is > ENLIGHTENED, ...very genuine, authentic, deep, real and insightful > and wrote the above just because ...you thought, it was from someone > else, ... > > > Perhaps, it is time you do a DEEP Analysis of ...YOUR Analysis ! > > > With warm regards, > ac. > Hey AC -- I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, and deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? Regards, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Tolle > > > > ============ > > " Choice implies consciousness - a high degree of consciousness. > > Without it, I have no choice. > > > > Choice begins the moment I dis-identify from my mind and its > > conditioned patterns, the moment I become Self-present. Until I > reach > > that point, I'm unconscious, spiritually speaking. > > > > This means that I'm compelled to think, feel, and act in certain > ways > > according to the conditioning of my mind. > > > > Nobody consciously chooses dis-function, conflict, and pain. > Nobody > > chooses insanity. They happen because > > there isn't enough conscious Self-presence to dissolve the past, > not > > enough light to dispel the darkness. > > > > ...... > > > > As long as my mind (with its conditioned patterns) runs my life, > what > > choice do I have? NONE! > > > > I'm not even there yet, and I won't be there until I become Self- > > conscious. > > > > THE MIND-IDENTIFIED STATE IS SEVERELY DIS-FUNCTIONAL. > > > > ..... > > > > =============== > > > > > > > > Kenji: > > > > >>> ** Arvind, THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS CONSTRUCTED BY MIND. > > > > Identification, disidentification, resentment, bondage, > conditioning, > > patterns, etc.--all of it, including the sufferer of it and the > > supposed remedy, which you call " Self-present, higher > consciousness. " > > > > [........] > > > > Dear Kenji, > > > > Looks like, you meant your comments for the writer of this > passage, > > who is ...Tolle. > > > > I wish, Tolle was here to read ...'your' analysis or if it was > > possible for me to mail him your `analysis' > > > > > > But, if in fact, you have respect for Tolle and think that he is > > ENLIGHTENED, ...very genuine, authentic, deep, real and insightful > > and wrote the above just because ...you thought, it was from > someone > > else, ... > > > > > > Perhaps, it is time you do a DEEP Analysis of ...YOUR Analysis ! > > > > > > With warm regards, > > ac. > > > > Hey AC -- > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, and > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > Regards, > Joe Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! .. .... ...... Difference is in just: ---- Being --- versus, Creating a `world' and then continuously trying to live in ...this Self-Created World !!@! PS: Why are you speaking for Kenji >? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Hey AC -- > > > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, > and > > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > > > Regards, > > Joe > > Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. :-) Carry on. > > but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created > maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! No such attempt ever happens. > > PS: Why are you speaking for Kenji >? Bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Hey AC -- > > > > > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, authentic, > > and > > > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Joe > > > > Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. > > :-) Carry on. Thank you Mate !!!! ....and, do you want to " carry on " with suffering is ...THE ONLY Reality ? > > > > > > but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created > > maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! > > No such attempt ever happens. You mean, " you " have already put it in ...'auto' Mode !?! .. .... ...... ....and, now, you need to do No More than some Periodic Maintenance. > > > > > PS: Why are you speaking for Kenji >? > > Bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > Hey AC -- > > > > > > > > I doubt Ken buys into that fairy tale of enlightened, > authentic, > > > and > > > > deep. Do you still believe in such distinctions? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Joe > > > > > > Enlightenment is ....NO ...fairy-tale. > > > > :-) Carry on. > > > Thank you Mate !!!! > > ...and, do you want to " carry on " with suffering is ...THE ONLY > Reality ? > > > > > > > > > > > > but, ...'attempting' to `continuously' live in self-created > > > maze, ...can INDEED, be a ...Nightmare !!! > > > > No such attempt ever happens. > > > You mean, " you " have already put it in ...'auto' Mode !?! > > . > ... > ..... > > ...and, now, you need to do No More than some Periodic Maintenance. I'm not interested in either of these. Utterances about needing to do something or not do something don't hold meaning somehow. It's hard to explain. It's not a special state of mind or being, but rather all of these things, ideas, conquests... whatever, just don't mean anything. It's seen to be like a little play, playing house with some dolls. The dichotomies also don't hold weight. I could be deluded to the max! I can only say what's true for me. I don't even feel like what I'm saying fits into any specific " spiritual model " and I don't feel the slightest urge to fit what I'm saying into anything. The seeking of validation is gone (for now). See ya Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.