Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Yes, and No ...are both part of the same whole. > > ....just like birth and death is ... > > ...just like acceptance and rejection is ... > > Love and ...fear is ... > > > However, they work quite differently. > > Yes, acceptance ...is the work of Love. > > NO is the language of ...Fear! > > > No strengthens the Ego, > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > One causes you to contract > ...other prompts you to share. > > > On connects you, ...nourishes you, fills you. > joy, happiness, bliss, overflowing ...flows out of ...FULLNESS ! > > Other cuts your root and is quite ...un-natural. > ....you are attempting to `kill' yourself and your whole being will > naturally revolt. > > You are SPLIT right from start, > You are moving towards a barren, bitter, lonely, loveless > Existence ... > > You can easily sense it in the words of many modern nay-nay pseudo > non-dualist. > > Love, acceptance, connection, warm friendliness is the last thing you > can see flowing ... > > Bitterness, criticism, condemnation, rejection, Hate, cutting off is > available ...without asking. > > How can a person who itself is burning in a barren place can offer > others any love. > > How can one that can Not accept itself be accommodating, spacious, > loving to ...accept others ? > > . > ... > ..... > > Perhaps, it is a good thing most people reject these crazy, freak > fake non-dualists. > > ..... > ... > . > > My unreserved recommendation is to read and understand Ramana very > well first. And, then even after that, ...be careful of whom and what > you read. > > Observe what experiences, feeling, emotions, thoughts, ...it > generates in you. > > Does it EXPAND you or does it try to contract you and cut you off. > > Do you feel CONNECTED, LOVED or do you feel barren and cut off ... > > Anything can become Addictive and ...there are enough masochists in > the world. > > However, for most people It may NOT be a GREAT idea to willingly read > or do something that results in negative emotions or pain. > > . > ... > ..... > > On positive side, you can just watch and observe what's going on > inside you and why it is there and use risen emotions to examine, > understand and uproot the cause. > > However, if you don't see that happening, ...then, it is better to > stop reading negative things. > > . > ... > ..... > It might be possible to eat garbage to read / hear hate-filled words, > watch tiresome, painful, gruesome TV shows or movies but, ...and to > still be Fine. > > ...why insist if there are sweeter, more delicious, more nourishing, > connecting, loving alternatives are available. > > When life is a play, game, dream, ...a Self-create illusion, > > ...then, what is wrong with living it ....Laughing, loving, > connecting, sharing, enjoying, cherishing, blooming, flowering, and > REJOICING ... You can re-arrange the furnature in your cell almost any way you want. Ask for new feather pillow....paint clouds on the ceiling.....play soft music............ but you are still in a god damn prison.......... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > A: However, they work quite differently. > Yes, acceptance ...is the work of Love. > NO is the language of ...Fear! > No strengthens the Ego, > Yes EXPANDS ...You. G: long, long ago I heard a saying, " choose/say yes to peace not because you hate war but because enjoy peace. " I used to wonder about that -- wondering if there really was a difference. I came to see there are avenues that are harder and avenues that are easier. If harder and easier are defined in terms of pain and suffering. > A: When life is a play, game, dream, ...a Self-create illusion, > ...then, what is wrong with living it ....Laughing, loving, > connecting, sharing, enjoying, cherishing, blooming, flowering, and > REJOICING ... > G: Absolutely nothing is wrong with it. Which is just my point. Lots of people like it, in fact choose it over and over again; our little bodies breathing the air here on planet earth for no other reason than the one you mentioned above. Equally there are a lot of people having a love/hate affair with it --> producing the experience of pain and mysery. There must be something enjoyed even in that or it's doubtful people would keep on with the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Yes, and No ...are both part of the same whole. .....just like birth and death is ... ....just like acceptance and rejection is ... Love and ...fear is ... However, they work quite differently. Yes, acceptance ...is the work of Love. NO is the language of ...Fear! No strengthens the Ego, Yes EXPANDS ...You. One causes you to contract ....other prompts you to share. On connects you, ...nourishes you, fills you. joy, happiness, bliss, overflowing ...flows out of ...FULLNESS ! Other cuts your root and is quite ...un-natural. .....you are attempting to `kill' yourself and your whole being will naturally revolt. You are SPLIT right from start, You are moving towards a barren, bitter, lonely, loveless Existence ... You can easily sense it in the words of many modern nay-nay pseudo non-dualist. Love, acceptance, connection, warm friendliness is the last thing you can see flowing ... Bitterness, criticism, condemnation, rejection, Hate, cutting off is available ...without asking. How can a person who itself is burning in a barren place can offer others any love. How can one that can Not accept itself be accommodating, spacious, loving to ...accept others ? .. .... ...... Perhaps, it is a good thing most people reject these crazy, freak fake non-dualists. ...... .... .. My unreserved recommendation is to read and understand Ramana very well first. And, then even after that, ...be careful of whom and what you read. Observe what experiences, feeling, emotions, thoughts, ...it generates in you. Does it EXPAND you or does it try to contract you and cut you off. Do you feel CONNECTED, LOVED or do you feel barren and cut off ... Anything can become Addictive and ...there are enough masochists in the world. However, for most people It may NOT be a GREAT idea to willingly read or do something that results in negative emotions or pain. .. .... ...... On positive side, you can just watch and observe what's going on inside you and why it is there and use risen emotions to examine, understand and uproot the cause. However, if you don't see that happening, ...then, it is better to stop reading negative things. .. .... ...... It might be possible to eat garbage to read / hear hate-filled words, watch tiresome, painful, gruesome TV shows or movies but, ...and to still be Fine. ....why insist if there are sweeter, more delicious, more nourishing, connecting, loving alternatives are available. When life is a play, game, dream, ...a Self-create illusion, ....then, what is wrong with living it ....Laughing, loving, connecting, sharing, enjoying, cherishing, blooming, flowering, and REJOICING ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Yes, and No ...are both part of the same whole. > > ....just like birth and death is ... > > ...just like acceptance and rejection is ... > > Love and ...fear is ... > > > However, they work quite differently. > > Yes, acceptance ...is the work of Love. > > NO is the language of ...Fear! > > > No strengthens the Ego, > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > One causes you to contract > ...other prompts you to share. > > > On connects you, ...nourishes you, fills you. > joy, happiness, bliss, overflowing ...flows out of ...FULLNESS ! > > Other cuts your root and is quite ...un-natural. > ....you are attempting to `kill' yourself and your whole being will > naturally revolt. > > You are SPLIT right from start, > You are moving towards a barren, bitter, lonely, loveless > Existence ... > > You can easily sense it in the words of many modern nay-nay pseudo > non-dualist. > > Love, acceptance, connection, warm friendliness is the last thing you > can see flowing ... > > Bitterness, criticism, condemnation, rejection, Hate, cutting off is > available ...without asking. > > How can a person who itself is burning in a barren place can offer > others any love. > > How can one that can Not accept itself be accommodating, spacious, > loving to ...accept others ? > > . > ... > ..... > > Perhaps, it is a good thing most people reject these crazy, freak > fake non-dualists. > > ..... > ... > . > > My unreserved recommendation is to read and understand Ramana very > well first. And, then even after that, ...be careful of whom and what > you read. > > Observe what experiences, feeling, emotions, thoughts, ...it > generates in you. > > Does it EXPAND you or does it try to contract you and cut you off. > > Do you feel CONNECTED, LOVED or do you feel barren and cut off ... > > Anything can become Addictive and ...there are enough masochists in > the world. > > However, for most people It may NOT be a GREAT idea to willingly read > or do something that results in negative emotions or pain. > > . > ... > ..... > > On positive side, you can just watch and observe what's going on > inside you and why it is there and use risen emotions to examine, > understand and uproot the cause. > > However, if you don't see that happening, ...then, it is better to > stop reading negative things. > > . > ... > ..... > It might be possible to eat garbage to read / hear hate-filled words, > watch tiresome, painful, gruesome TV shows or movies but, ...and to > still be Fine. > > ...why insist if there are sweeter, more delicious, more nourishing, > connecting, loving alternatives are available. > > When life is a play, game, dream, ...a Self-create illusion, > > ...then, what is wrong with living it ....Laughing, loving, > connecting, sharing, enjoying, cherishing, blooming, flowering, and > REJOICING ... You can re-arrange the furnature in your cell almost any way you want. Ask for new feather pillow....paint clouds on the ceiling.....play soft music............ but you are still in a god damn prison.......... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > No strengthens the Ego, > Yes EXPANDS ...You. it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > A: However, they work quite differently. > Yes, acceptance ...is the work of Love. > NO is the language of ...Fear! > No strengthens the Ego, > Yes EXPANDS ...You. G: long, long ago I heard a saying, " choose/say yes to peace not because you hate war but because enjoy peace. " I used to wonder about that -- wondering if there really was a difference. I came to see there are avenues that are harder and avenues that are easier. If harder and easier are defined in terms of pain and suffering. > A: When life is a play, game, dream, ...a Self-create illusion, > ...then, what is wrong with living it ....Laughing, loving, > connecting, sharing, enjoying, cherishing, blooming, flowering, and > REJOICING ... > G: Absolutely nothing is wrong with it. Which is just my point. Lots of people like it, in fact choose it over and over again; our little bodies breathing the air here on planet earth for no other reason than the one you mentioned above. Equally there are a lot of people having a love/hate affair with it --> producing the experience of pain and mysery. There must be something enjoyed even in that or it's doubtful people would keep on with the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as required or desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as required or > desired. " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. There is no such thing as ego. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as required or > > desired. > > > " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. > > There is no such thing as ego. > > > t. The ego is the collective pot of possessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > > > > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > > > > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as required or > > > desired. > > > > > > " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. > > > > There is no such thing as ego. > > > > > > t. > > The ego is the collective pot of possessions. as much as a mirage ...........is a container for water....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > > > > > > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > > > > > > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as required or > > > > desired. > > > > > > > > > " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. > > > > > > There is no such thing as ego. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > The ego is the collective pot of possessions. > > > > as much as a mirage ...........is a container for water....... A possession is not a mirage. A possession can be a material thing like a house or a car, a personal relationship like a spouse, a child or a friend, or a purely mental possession such as knowledge. Ultimately all possessions are only thoughts and emotions; they are.........like a mirage..........as a container for water. So you are right. How wonderful! How exceedingly wonderful! Oh wellgone all possessions, you mental mirage of clinging, clutching, grabbing, holding......never to let go..........never to let go of........the precious possssssessssions...........my precious.........my precious... :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > > > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > > > > > > > > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > > > > > > > > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as > required or > > > > > desired. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > The ego is the collective pot of possessions. > > > > > > > > as much as a mirage ...........is a container for water....... > > A possession is not a mirage. A possession can be a material thing > like a house or a car, a personal relationship like a spouse, a child > or a friend, or a purely mental possession such as knowledge. > Ultimately all possessions are only thoughts and emotions; they > are.........like a mirage..........as a container for water. > > So you are right. How wonderful! How exceedingly wonderful! Oh > wellgone all possessions, you mental mirage of clinging, clutching, > grabbing, holding......never to let go..........never to let go > of........the precious possssssessssions...........my > precious.........my precious... > > :-) > > /AL I forgot: the ultimate possession........it the body. But the body as a possession can only exist in time...........and time is........only a mental contruct. Maybe that's what Nisargadatta was talking about........ " Discover all that you are not - body, feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that - nothing, concrete or abstract, which you perceive can be you. " /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > > > > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as > > required or > > > > > > desired. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > The ego is the collective pot of possessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as a mirage ...........is a container for water....... > > > > A possession is not a mirage. A possession can be a material thing > > like a house or a car, a personal relationship like a spouse, a child > > or a friend, or a purely mental possession such as knowledge. > > Ultimately all possessions are only thoughts and emotions; they > > are.........like a mirage..........as a container for water. > > > > So you are right. How wonderful! How exceedingly wonderful! Oh > > wellgone all possessions, you mental mirage of clinging, clutching, > > grabbing, holding......never to let go..........never to let go > > of........the precious possssssessssions...........my > > precious.........my precious... > > > > :-) > > > > /AL > > I forgot: the ultimate possession........it the body. But the body as > a possession can only exist in time...........and time is........only > a mental contruct. Maybe that's what Nisargadatta was talking > about........ " Discover all that you are not - body, feelings, > thoughts, time, space, this or that - nothing, concrete or abstract, > which you perceive can be you. " > > /AL Praise to God who hath given his creatures no way of attaining to knowledge of him, except through their inability to know him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo_now " <dscasta> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No strengthens the Ego, > > > > > > > > > Yes EXPANDS ...You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the ego (self) that splits to protect itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can not do anything ...Dabo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can create ego as well as split it in as many ways as > > > required or > > > > > > > desired. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ego " is a conceptual description ...down stream from mentation. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > The ego is the collective pot of possessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as a mirage ...........is a container for water....... > > > > > > A possession is not a mirage. A possession can be a material thing > > > like a house or a car, a personal relationship like a spouse, a child > > > or a friend, or a purely mental possession such as knowledge. > > > Ultimately all possessions are only thoughts and emotions; they > > > are.........like a mirage..........as a container for water. > > > > > > So you are right. How wonderful! How exceedingly wonderful! Oh > > > wellgone all possessions, you mental mirage of clinging, clutching, > > > grabbing, holding......never to let go..........never to let go > > > of........the precious possssssessssions...........my > > > precious.........my precious... > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > /AL > > > > I forgot: the ultimate possession........it the body. But the body as > > a possession can only exist in time...........and time is........only > > a mental contruct. Maybe that's what Nisargadatta was talking > > about........ " Discover all that you are not - body, feelings, > > thoughts, time, space, this or that - nothing, concrete or abstract, > > which you perceive can be you. " > > > > /AL > > > > > > Praise to God who hath given his creatures > no way of attaining to knowledge of him, > except through their inability to know him. Another possession I forgot to mention is " God " . Or " You own something called 'you'. I have lost everything. " -- Tony Parsons But, mind you, we cannot fake being possessionless, because that would itself be a possession. As Eckhart Tolle said (about object consciousness which is also thought, which is possession): Of course you honor that dimension. We honor our body, our car, our family and friends. But we are not totally in the grip of thought when we step out of that mind pattern which humanity has lived in for millenia. In this way, Eckhart Tolle's teaching is a bit looser than for example Tony Parson's which is more hard core I think. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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