Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Giving a perscription to someone to change what they think they > > are.....is not accepting what is. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ----------------- > > > >G: Are questions a perscription? > > >T: yes. > >G: Or is it merely a way with which to > > see ignorance for what it is and thereby clarify or ease or > disperse > > the ideas/thoughts/choices/ways producing the ignorance? > > > > > T: Thought cannot erace what it has created. > > G: hmmmmm maybe not for you. I erase things all the time. Change things I've created all the time. I thought you said that creation is non-existent? I thought that was the belief for you. Me ---> peaking up your dress and finding it contradicting itself all over the place. Mind twisting back and forth on itself so it doesn't die, so the game doesn't end. Because youdon't want it to. > > > >G: However, for some ignorance is bliss yes? > > > > >T: Ignorance is suffering. > > G: Yeah, I can see that for you it is. I'm suffering just listening to you -- no wonder your suffering. But since you don't believe you can erase or change the thought or aspect of what you've created then you will carry on suffering in ignorance. If it's not bliss why would you do it? Either that or you enjoy suffering? (all said in deep sincerety for anyone who thinks I'm being mean) > > > > >G: If you change what you think you are then you no longer are that. > > > T: You cannot change what you are....You simlpy cannot be different > then you are. > G: I change what I am all of the time. I change my experiences all of the time. No wonder you are in a prison toombaru. No wonder you are suffering. Yes, you are right ---> ignorance truly is suffering. > > >G: Or perhaps realize that you have no interest in " that " . > > Does change preclude acceptance? > > > T: No. > > G: Must everything be separate one > > from another in your thinking processes > >T: No. G: then why do you separate each little word and idea into a separate or non structure with which to identify or counter your all-one as opposed to non-dual? You say no but you do it all of the time. Dear Toombaru, it's no wonder then you are suffering. You are your own prison keeper. In that way you most certainly are a master...a master at keeping your prison neatly and tightly locked and sealed. You are doing a very good job of it too. > > > > > >G: One day you'll leave this body. > > > > >T: No you won't. > > > G: well then that may be your experience. Those have become the rules to your experience/game. Your body may live to be immortal. Yes you are correct in one thing, you are most definitely builidng up a prison. But you wish all to receive it too, by claiming that these rules are to be shared by all, as in, " No *You* won't. " If you don't want to leave this body then perhaps you won't. Perhaps you will have the ability to go against the dogmatic belief system which entrains people into a life span of around 70 yrs or so. Although I highly doubt it since you aren't able to stay with one particular thought train long enough to bring that into experience. But I have already decided that I will not keep this body longer than a few more years. But you wish to put your particular belief and choice on me in this regard. That's a lot of control you wish to exert -- a control of my beliefs and my very actions, ideas, thoughts and choices. Toombaru, you feel so out of control in your own life and so helpless like the prisoner victim that suffers, that you reach out to control whatever or whoever you can. Even when those words contradict themselves. All your words are is an attempt to use advaita language to control those around you....control yourself. But you said it's suffering and mysery and yet you continue to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Giving a perscription to someone to change what they think > they > > > are.....is not accepting what is. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > >G: Are questions a perscription? > > > > > >T: yes. > > > >G: Or is it merely a way with which to > > > see ignorance for what it is and thereby clarify or ease or > > disperse > > > the ideas/thoughts/choices/ways producing the ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > T: Thought cannot erace what it has created. > > > > > > > > > G: hmmmmm maybe not for you. I erase things all the time. Layering one thought over another does not change the previous thought. Thought cannot change...they can only be replaced by new thoughts. > Change things I've created all the time. I thought you said > that creation is non-existent? I thought that was the belief for > you. Me ---> peaking up your dress and finding it > contradicting itself all over the place. All sages contradict themselves. Mind twisting back and > forth on itself so it doesn't die, so the game doesn't end. > Because youdon't want it to. > > > > > > > > > > >G: However, for some ignorance is bliss yes? > > > > > > > > > >T: Ignorance is suffering. > > > > > > > > G: Yeah, I can see that for you it is. I'm suffering just > listening to you -- Then ....if you have a choice....do not listen. no wonder your suffering. But since you > don't believe you can erase or change the thought Do you honestly believe that you can erace a thought? Try to erace this one. Can you change a thought .......Try to change this one. No matter how hard you try....you will not be able to not think of the animal that I am going to mention at the bottom of this post....you can try but you will not be ablt to. or aspect of what > you've created then you will carry on suffering in ignorance. If > it's not bliss why would you do it? I have no choice. Either that or you enjoy > suffering? (all said in deep sincerety for anyone who thinks I'm > being mean) > > > > > > > > > > > >G: If you change what you think you are then you no longer are > that. > > > > > > T: You cannot change what you are....You simlpy cannot be > different > > then you are. > > > > > > G: I change what I am all of the time. I change my experiences all > of the time. Experiences change.....You do not change them. No wonder you are in a prison toombaru. > No wonder you are suffering. Yes, you are right ---> ignorance > truly is suffering. Yes > > > > > > > >G: Or perhaps realize that you have no interest in " that " . > > > Does change preclude acceptance? > > > > > T: No. > > > > G: Must everything be separate one > > > from another in your thinking processes > > > >T: No. > > > > G: then why do you separate each little word and idea into a > separate or non structure with which to identify or counter your > all-one as opposed to non-dual? .....because it is very difficult to blend words back together. > You say no but you do it all of the time. Dear Toombaru, it's > no wonder then you are suffering. You are your own prison keeper. > In that way you most certainly are a master...a master at keeping > your prison neatly and tightly locked and sealed. You are doing a > very good job of it too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >G: One day you'll leave this body. > > > > > > > > > >T: No you won't. > > > > > > > > > > > G: well then that may be your experience. Those have become the > rules to your experience/game. Your body may live to be immortal. > Yes you are correct in one thing, you are most definitely builidng > up a prison. But you wish all to receive it too, by claiming that > these rules are to be shared by all, as in, " No *You* won't. " > > If you don't want to leave this body then perhaps you won't. > Perhaps you will have the ability to go against the dogmatic belief > system which entrains people into a life span of around 70 yrs or > so. Although I highly doubt it since you aren't able to stay > with one particular thought train long enough to bring that into > experience. > But I have already decided that I will not keep this > body longer than a few more years. But you wish to put your > particular belief and choice on me in this regard. That's a lot > of control you wish to exert -- a control of my beliefs and my very > actions, ideas, thoughts and choices. > > Toombaru, you feel so out of control in your own life and so > helpless like the prisoner victim that suffers, that you reach out > to control whatever or whoever you can. Even when those words > contradict themselves. All your words are is an attempt to use > advaita language to control those around you....control yourself. > But you said it's suffering and mysery and yet you continue to do it. " You " ...will disappear when the body dies.... Now about that animal: Are you ready? Try not to think of a little brown dog...with a red hat. ohhh.................there you've gone and done it. well...............don't worry.......just erace that thought..... If you can. toomabaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Giving a perscription to someone to change what they think they > > are.....is not accepting what is. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ----------------- > > > >G: Are questions a perscription? > > >T: yes. > >G: Or is it merely a way with which to > > see ignorance for what it is and thereby clarify or ease or > disperse > > the ideas/thoughts/choices/ways producing the ignorance? > > > > > T: Thought cannot erace what it has created. > > G: hmmmmm maybe not for you. I erase things all the time. Change things I've created all the time. I thought you said that creation is non-existent? I thought that was the belief for you. Me ---> peaking up your dress and finding it contradicting itself all over the place. Mind twisting back and forth on itself so it doesn't die, so the game doesn't end. Because youdon't want it to. > > > >G: However, for some ignorance is bliss yes? > > > > >T: Ignorance is suffering. > > G: Yeah, I can see that for you it is. I'm suffering just listening to you -- no wonder your suffering. But since you don't believe you can erase or change the thought or aspect of what you've created then you will carry on suffering in ignorance. If it's not bliss why would you do it? Either that or you enjoy suffering? (all said in deep sincerety for anyone who thinks I'm being mean) > > > > >G: If you change what you think you are then you no longer are that. > > > T: You cannot change what you are....You simlpy cannot be different > then you are. > G: I change what I am all of the time. I change my experiences all of the time. No wonder you are in a prison toombaru. No wonder you are suffering. Yes, you are right ---> ignorance truly is suffering. > > >G: Or perhaps realize that you have no interest in " that " . > > Does change preclude acceptance? > > > T: No. > > G: Must everything be separate one > > from another in your thinking processes > >T: No. G: then why do you separate each little word and idea into a separate or non structure with which to identify or counter your all-one as opposed to non-dual? You say no but you do it all of the time. Dear Toombaru, it's no wonder then you are suffering. You are your own prison keeper. In that way you most certainly are a master...a master at keeping your prison neatly and tightly locked and sealed. You are doing a very good job of it too. > > > > > >G: One day you'll leave this body. > > > > >T: No you won't. > > > G: well then that may be your experience. Those have become the rules to your experience/game. Your body may live to be immortal. Yes you are correct in one thing, you are most definitely builidng up a prison. But you wish all to receive it too, by claiming that these rules are to be shared by all, as in, " No *You* won't. " If you don't want to leave this body then perhaps you won't. Perhaps you will have the ability to go against the dogmatic belief system which entrains people into a life span of around 70 yrs or so. Although I highly doubt it since you aren't able to stay with one particular thought train long enough to bring that into experience. But I have already decided that I will not keep this body longer than a few more years. But you wish to put your particular belief and choice on me in this regard. That's a lot of control you wish to exert -- a control of my beliefs and my very actions, ideas, thoughts and choices. Toombaru, you feel so out of control in your own life and so helpless like the prisoner victim that suffers, that you reach out to control whatever or whoever you can. Even when those words contradict themselves. All your words are is an attempt to use advaita language to control those around you....control yourself. But you said it's suffering and mysery and yet you continue to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Giving a perscription to someone to change what they think > they > > > are.....is not accepting what is. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > >G: Are questions a perscription? > > > > > >T: yes. > > > >G: Or is it merely a way with which to > > > see ignorance for what it is and thereby clarify or ease or > > disperse > > > the ideas/thoughts/choices/ways producing the ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > T: Thought cannot erace what it has created. > > > > > > > > > G: hmmmmm maybe not for you. I erase things all the time. Layering one thought over another does not change the previous thought. Thought cannot change...they can only be replaced by new thoughts. > Change things I've created all the time. I thought you said > that creation is non-existent? I thought that was the belief for > you. Me ---> peaking up your dress and finding it > contradicting itself all over the place. All sages contradict themselves. Mind twisting back and > forth on itself so it doesn't die, so the game doesn't end. > Because youdon't want it to. > > > > > > > > > > >G: However, for some ignorance is bliss yes? > > > > > > > > > >T: Ignorance is suffering. > > > > > > > > G: Yeah, I can see that for you it is. I'm suffering just > listening to you -- Then ....if you have a choice....do not listen. no wonder your suffering. But since you > don't believe you can erase or change the thought Do you honestly believe that you can erace a thought? Try to erace this one. Can you change a thought .......Try to change this one. No matter how hard you try....you will not be able to not think of the animal that I am going to mention at the bottom of this post....you can try but you will not be ablt to. or aspect of what > you've created then you will carry on suffering in ignorance. If > it's not bliss why would you do it? I have no choice. Either that or you enjoy > suffering? (all said in deep sincerety for anyone who thinks I'm > being mean) > > > > > > > > > > > >G: If you change what you think you are then you no longer are > that. > > > > > > T: You cannot change what you are....You simlpy cannot be > different > > then you are. > > > > > > G: I change what I am all of the time. I change my experiences all > of the time. Experiences change.....You do not change them. No wonder you are in a prison toombaru. > No wonder you are suffering. Yes, you are right ---> ignorance > truly is suffering. Yes > > > > > > > >G: Or perhaps realize that you have no interest in " that " . > > > Does change preclude acceptance? > > > > > T: No. > > > > G: Must everything be separate one > > > from another in your thinking processes > > > >T: No. > > > > G: then why do you separate each little word and idea into a > separate or non structure with which to identify or counter your > all-one as opposed to non-dual? .....because it is very difficult to blend words back together. > You say no but you do it all of the time. Dear Toombaru, it's > no wonder then you are suffering. You are your own prison keeper. > In that way you most certainly are a master...a master at keeping > your prison neatly and tightly locked and sealed. You are doing a > very good job of it too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >G: One day you'll leave this body. > > > > > > > > > >T: No you won't. > > > > > > > > > > > G: well then that may be your experience. Those have become the > rules to your experience/game. Your body may live to be immortal. > Yes you are correct in one thing, you are most definitely builidng > up a prison. But you wish all to receive it too, by claiming that > these rules are to be shared by all, as in, " No *You* won't. " > > If you don't want to leave this body then perhaps you won't. > Perhaps you will have the ability to go against the dogmatic belief > system which entrains people into a life span of around 70 yrs or > so. Although I highly doubt it since you aren't able to stay > with one particular thought train long enough to bring that into > experience. > But I have already decided that I will not keep this > body longer than a few more years. But you wish to put your > particular belief and choice on me in this regard. That's a lot > of control you wish to exert -- a control of my beliefs and my very > actions, ideas, thoughts and choices. > > Toombaru, you feel so out of control in your own life and so > helpless like the prisoner victim that suffers, that you reach out > to control whatever or whoever you can. Even when those words > contradict themselves. All your words are is an attempt to use > advaita language to control those around you....control yourself. > But you said it's suffering and mysery and yet you continue to do it. " You " ...will disappear when the body dies.... Now about that animal: Are you ready? Try not to think of a little brown dog...with a red hat. ohhh.................there you've gone and done it. well...............don't worry.......just erace that thought..... If you can. toomabaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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