Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 >> ...Are USA, India, Africa, Europe, Australia OUTSIDE of you ...? >>Do they exists ‘without’ you ? Ramana used questions like these many times. His approach was quite simple. >> Can Asia, Africa, America, Europe and all other things that you know or are aware of ...exist ...without you? >>Do any of the problem, right or ‘wrong’ you associate with them, ...or any other things exist ...without you? If so, ...where are they in your ...Deep Sleep? Do they come and tell you, ...here I am, ...I am Australia or do you look at them and say, ...hey, here you ‘are’, ...You are USA ? .. .... ...... Do they have an ‘independent’ existence ? If so, ...where they go when you are ...in Deep Sleep? ....when, there is no separate identified ‘self’ to recognize and acknowledge them ‘apart’ from ...you ? ...... .... .. You give power ...to things. You give ...’your’ power to things ! First you see the body and say, ...this is me and then via body you recognize and empower ...all things! Only by receiving the power and light of Self that the ‘things’ take their existence ....! ....Self is the Only One that exist by itself, ...that exist independently ....without needing anything else. ...... Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > >> ...Are USA, India, Africa, Europe, Australia OUTSIDE of you ...? > > > > >>Do they exists `without' you ? > > > > Ramana used questions like these many times. His approach was quite simple. > > > > >> Can Asia, Africa, America, Europe and all other things that you know or are aware of ...exist ...without you? > > > > >>Do any of the problem, right or `wrong' you associate with them, ....or any other things exist ...without you? > > > > If so, ...where are they in your ...Deep Sleep? > > > > Do they come and tell you, ...here I am, ...I am Australia or do you look at them and say, ...hey, here you `are', ...You are USA ? > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Do they have an `independent' existence ? > > If so, ...where they go when you are ...in Deep Sleep? > > > > ...when, there is no separate identified `self' to recognize and acknowledge them `apart' from ...you ? > > > > ..... > > ... > > . > > > > You give power ...to things. > > > > You give ...'your' power to things ! > > > > First you see the body and say, ...this is me and then via body you recognize and empower ...all things! > > > > Only by receiving the power and light of Self that the `things' take their existence ....! > > > > ...Self is the Only One that exist by itself, ...that exist independently ...without needing anything else. > > > > ..... > > My view of deep sleep is that we can actually never know if we ever have been in deep sleep. What we call deep sleep is a memory experienced now, or we could call it a gap in linear memory experience now. Consider the present moment. What if the present moment is all there is? Then time does not really strech into the past in a linear way in the form of an absolute timeline. Time - including the entire past history record - is now and only now. Past is then more like a timeless structure of information experienced now, inluding ideas of having been in deep sleep. This timeless structure that we call the past contains information about a history record, but does not contain time itself as an aspect that is somewhere else than now. We can experience the now. Can we experience anything else? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 [.....] > > My view of deep sleep is that we can actually never know if we ever > have been in deep sleep. Dear Anders, State of Deep Sleep is pre `individuality'. ....there is No individuality to know it as in ...apart from something else. All distinctions, all `things', name and forms are completely lost. Self alone remains ... Ramana has explained it very well using many examples such as honey even though gathered from different flowers still taste same and in honey, there is no way to which is from which from which flower ... Or water from different rivers, lakes and ponds forming cloud where there is no way to know which came from which ... I could not find the exact quote today. But, I might be able to find it by searching. ....else, I will search and see, if I can find something today or tomorrow. With warm regards, ac. >What we call deep sleep is a memory > experienced now, or we could call it a gap in linear memory experience > now. Consider the present moment. What if the present moment is all > there is? Then time does not really strech into the past in a linear > way in the form of an absolute timeline. Time - including the entire > past history record - is now and only now. Past is then more like a > timeless structure of information experienced now, inluding ideas of > having been in deep sleep. This timeless structure that we call the > past contains information about a history record, but does not contain > time itself as an aspect that is somewhere else than now. > > We can experience the now. Can we experience anything else? > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 adithya_comming wrote: > > [.....] > > > > > My view of deep sleep is that we can actually never know if we ever > > have been in deep sleep. > > > Dear Anders, > > State of Deep Sleep is pre `individuality'. > ...there is No individuality to know it as in ...apart from something > else. > > All distinctions, all `things', name and forms are completely lost. > Self alone remains ... > Even now Self is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > [.....] > > > > > My view of deep sleep is that we can actually never know if we ever > > have been in deep sleep. > > > Dear Anders, > > State of Deep Sleep is pre `individuality'. > ...there is No individuality to know it as in ...apart from something > else. > > All distinctions, all `things', name and forms are completely lost. > Self alone remains ... > > > Ramana has explained it very well using many examples such as honey > even though gathered from different flowers still taste same and in > honey, there is no way to which is from which from which flower ... > > Or water from different rivers, lakes and ponds forming cloud where > there is no way to know which came from which ... > > > I could not find the exact quote today. But, I might be able to find > it by searching. > ...else, I will search and see, if I can find something today or > tomorrow. > > With warm regards, > ac. Maybe its possible to know the state of deep sleep. But for me, all that I am currently aware of is the present moment. I don't know if I ever have been asleep. All I have is a memory about the past, but that memory could just be a timeless quantum state, or what Julian Barbour calls a 'now' within the timeless configuration space he calls 'Platonia' containing all possible states of existence. See: http://www.platonia.com/ /AL > > > > >What we call deep sleep is a memory > > experienced now, or we could call it a gap in linear memory > experience > > now. Consider the present moment. What if the present moment is all > > there is? Then time does not really strech into the past in a linear > > way in the form of an absolute timeline. Time - including the entire > > past history record - is now and only now. Past is then more like a > > timeless structure of information experienced now, inluding ideas of > > having been in deep sleep. This timeless structure that we call the > > past contains information about a history record, but does not > contain > > time itself as an aspect that is somewhere else than now. > > > > We can experience the now. Can we experience anything else? > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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