Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Although Woody is a great seeker, he is no gnani, for sure. He has said, " I don't mind dying. I just don't want to be there when it happens. " He's obviously almost there, but still has not had the " final understanding, " as Ramesh might describe it. On another note, the first thing that impressed me with " I Am That " was that N says the effect of the Understanding is the elimination of suffering. What did he actually mean, since he himself was in great pain toward the end of his life, as was, I imagine, Ramana M., who also (I believe) died of cancer. What am I not getting here? Thanks! Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/15/05 3:17:29 AM, vtorrico@c... writes: > > > > Who or what hurts when a thumb is hit with a hammer? > > > > Is this real or imaginary and who or what experiences pain if anyone? > > > > Why did Nasargadatta MaharJ bother to teach all these imaginary beings if > > they > > are imaginary or not? > > > > What's it all about Alfie? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Victor > > > > Yes, Victor, those who question the reality of things, > > question it precisely to rob pain and suffering of it's > sting, but they do so in vain. Reality can't be avoided. > Paraphrasing the great Woody Allen: > > You can question reality all you want, but let's face it, it's the only > place you can get a good meal. > > Pete > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 In a message dated 2/16/05 8:40:47 AM, falkgw writes: > On another note, the first thing that impressed me with " I Am That " > was that N says the effect of the Understanding is the elimination of > suffering. > > What did he actually mean, since he himself was in great pain toward > the end of his life, as was, I imagine, Ramana M., who also (I > believe) died of cancer. > > What am I not getting here? > >>><<<<< P: I think he was referring to suffering as mental anguish. I have been in great pain that gave birth to mental anguish- a frantic desire to scape the situation. That of course, exasperated the pain. And I have undergone great pain without the mental anguish, with great calm and interest to investigate what made pain different from pleasure. In this second instance, the pain was bearable, and to my surprise I found my attention drifting away, and the pain becoming a distant background. Physical pain is unavoidable, even for a jnani, but suffering is just a mental attitude. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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