Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Suffering is a `potential' in the bodymind ... Pain is a ...'possibility' Just like mental conflict is, depression is, fear is, hatred is, jealousy is, greed is ... But, just because, it is `possible' to suffer, ...doesn't mean you have to !!! Just because you have a match box, a fire arm in your house, ...doesn't mean you have to burn your house or kill someone ... To Not burn and kill, ...it is soften Not necessary to get rid of fire and killing `potential', .... simple understanding and consciousness might be enough ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 We already know that not everybody suffers from same amount of jealousy, greed, depression or ...mental pain. We also know that not everybody shows same fear, anger, jealousy, `unconsciousness', `mental pain', `mental suffering', `hatred' ...in response to same or similar events. In fact, many people have demonstrated to be quite efficient, effective and productive in dealing with same situations without going trough the same amount of mental trauma, suffering and pain of ...depression, jealousy, greed, fear, hatred, anger, conflict that, ...many other people do. Many are in fact, even able to unlearn the old `conditioning' and learn new attitude to act ( or just stay ) in the same scenario without needing to create same `mental suffering' or `mental pain' anymore. Incredibly, they are often able to do it without losing their ability to act and respond in any way. In fact, in many cases, ... their ability to respond and act increases!!! They unlearn the old resistance, conflict and pain producing conditioning and learn to SEE, Observe situation Clearly without much Mental labeling. They learn...to act out of Acceptance, Consciousness, Presence and Stillness ... Not only Now they are Now, able to remain poised, calm, joyous, happy and free of reactivity and `mental conflict' but they do so without losing any ability to act!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Even those who are not attentive, present or conscious see their suffering disappear completely ...in DEEP SLEEP, every Night! Incredibly, situation is Still exactly Same, ...as it Was! ...just, they are not present to `create' the suffering anymore. Their " suffering producing " facility has been put to rest. Some people even try to temporarily achieve it chemically by ingesting ...alcohols, drugs etc. Just few drops, ...few glands dulled, few signal sending neuron temporarily dulled and ...phew, No More Suffering !!! Even though, situation is exactly same ... .. .... ...... First peek in enlightenment is somewhat like going into Deep Sleep state, Consciously ... You See that all your suffering, pain, conflict is ...simply doesn't Exist !!! As you start to be more and more conscious and get more and more in tune with the body, mind and emotions, you literally see ...yourself `producing' pain and suffering ! You see a thought and immediately you feel a signal, twitch, a prick, a pinch, ....few drop of burning chemical ( hormone ) dropping in the blood ... and, hey, you have succeeded, ...you have been able to SUCCESSFULLY create Pain !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Even those who are not attentive, present or conscious see their > suffering disappear completely ...in DEEP SLEEP, every Night! > > Incredibly, situation is Still exactly Same, ...as it Was! ...just, > they are not present to `create' the suffering anymore. > > Their " suffering producing " facility has been put to rest. > > Some people even try to temporarily achieve it chemically by > ingesting ...alcohols, drugs etc. > > Just few drops, ...few glands dulled, few signal sending neuron > temporarily dulled and ...phew, No More Suffering !!! Even though, > situation is exactly same ... > . > ... > ..... > First peek in enlightenment is somewhat like going into Deep Sleep > state, Consciously ... > > You See that all your suffering, pain, conflict is ...simply doesn't > Exist !!! > > As you start to be more and more conscious and get more and more in > tune with the body, mind and emotions, you literally > see ...yourself `producing' pain and suffering ! > > You see a thought and immediately you feel a signal, twitch, a prick, > a pinch, ....few drop of burning chemical ( hormone ) dropping in > the blood ... > > and, hey, you have succeeded, ...you have been able to SUCCESSFULLY > create Pain !!! In a state of full enlightenment the body produces now-hormones instead of time-hormones!!! )))) Time-hormones create physical and emotional suffering in you. Now-hormones produce pure wellbeing. 100% time-hormones and 0% now-hormones = 100% ego and hellish slavery to a fictious sense of self. 99% time-hormones and 1% now-hormones = dawn of Enlightenment!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Many others, who are Not that Conscious know it too ... They try not to think and talk about things that they `think' causes them pain. They are busy totally absorbed playing a sports, listening to great music, surrounded by great beauty, talking to someone, watching some entertaining movies ...and, there is NO suffering in those Moment ...! Any time, they are not `available' to ...'create pain', there is No Pain ...! Difference is that in the place of getting into the " root " of the creation of suffering and understanding it, ...they merely try to `escape' facing it. ....and, then, come back, ...and `start' thinking about those seemingly `painful' things again and here comes the Pain ...! and, it is easy to see, ... " WHO " started it and ...How!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 A peek of enlightenment shows the falsity and non-existence of problems, pain and ...suffering. (among the falsity and non-existence of other things ...) It shows the world merely as a play, ...a drama, a creation of outgoing energy ... It shows that there is ...NO Bondage, slavery, or imprisonment ... You create your world, ...even if, you create it so unconsciously, so `automatically' that you don't even realize it. You create your `world', bondage, suffering and many other things by ...going out ... Sometimes through `desires', sometimes through `attachment' and sometimes ...just as an expression, flow of radiant happy content energy. Situations can't by themselves create miseries as can clearly be seen by deep sleep, ...No Mind, No thought. Even mentating about them doesn't. But, labeling them as `bad' gives a signal to the brain, ...and brain and body together do what they can do to `represent' bad ... You `resist', ...you divide yourself into ...two ... one WHICH IS and `other' which is fighting it. ..... .... .. Enlightenment doesn't terminate the `suffering creating' abilities. It shows unnecessity of them ... You see that End of Suffering is Not Only possible but in fact, ...there is NO suffering unless you make an effort to create it !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > A peek of enlightenment shows the falsity and non-existence of > problems, pain and ...suffering. > (among the falsity and non-existence of other things ...) > > It shows the world merely as a play, ...a drama, a creation of > outgoing energy ... > > It shows that there is ...NO Bondage, slavery, or imprisonment ... > > You create your world, ...even if, you create it so unconsciously, > so `automatically' that you don't even realize it. > > > You create your `world', bondage, suffering and many other things > by ...going out ... > > Sometimes through `desires', sometimes through `attachment' and > sometimes ...just as an expression, flow of radiant happy content > energy. > > > Situations can't by themselves create miseries as can clearly be seen > by deep sleep, ...No Mind, No thought. Even mentating about them > doesn't. > > But, labeling them as `bad' gives a signal to the brain, ...and > brain and body together do what they can do to `represent' bad ... > > You `resist', ...you divide yourself into ...two ... > one WHICH IS and `other' which is fighting it. > .... > ... > . > > Enlightenment doesn't terminate the `suffering creating' abilities. > It shows unnecessity of them ... > > You see that End of Suffering is Not Only possible but in > fact, ...there is NO suffering unless you make an effort to create > it !!! I feel one can almost equate suffering with effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Consciously entering this ... " the land of No Problems " , ...is a radical realization. For many, it seems like ...a death as there is NO problematic `me' that they have always had. For many, ...it is a Great Relief, a Bliss beyond Bliss and everything else seems very pale and insignificant ... Thy have tasted freedom, ...and, they are not going to bother to create stories, ...No matter what. Even if it meant leaving job, society, home, ...sitting on the park benches or in caves. Examples include Ramana and Tolle and possibly many, many more who lived and died in complete oblivion ... .. .... ...... For many other, it is `learning' to live, ...all over Again! They have been through constantly tormented existence. Now, thy have tasted the freedom, bliss, ...the uncaused happiness. They are still ready to engage in the world, ...but not the cost of losing inherent peace and stillness !! ....but, that require a whole new learning. For some it takes years and they call it ...settling down !!@! Essentially, almost the entire conditioning of the mind, ...possibly even the circuitry of brain needs to be reworked, ...rewired. To act, but, ...Free Of pain .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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