Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only observation. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Only the Trapped make a Vain Attempt to come out of the trap ! The One who is never trapped in this Samsara will never make any attempts for he is fearlesss.... These r the words of my Master. anders_lindman [anders_lindman] Friday, February 18, 2005 12:57 AM Nisargadatta The observer is the observed When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only observation. /AL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 There is no one who is trapped in egoic view and there is no one who will be free of it. There is only thought. To be trapped in thought is again a thought and to be free of thought is too a thought. The observer, observation and the observed are the same. Which means there never was an observer and never the observed. It is just thought which draws an artificial borderline between those. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the > observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only observation. > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > Only the Trapped make a Vain Attempt to come out of the trap ! > The One who is never trapped in this Samsara will never make any attempts for he is fearlesss.... > These r the words of my Master. The " observer " is the trap pointed to by your Master. AL > > > > > anders_lindman [anders_lindman] > Friday, February 18, 2005 12:57 AM > Nisargadatta > The observer is the observed > > > > When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the > observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only observation. > > /AL > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > There is no one who is trapped in egoic view and there is no one who > will be free of it. There is only thought. To be trapped in thought > is again a thought and to be free of thought is too a thought. > > The observer, observation and the observed are the same. Which means > there never was an observer and never the observed. It is just > thought which draws an artificial borderline between those. > > Werner I am trapped in an egoic view. I can feel it. I don't have to think about it. /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the > > observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only > observation. > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Anders, It is only thought which thinks to be trapped. And it only can think that because it was fed with material about being trapped, as by spiritual books. Similarily the church first feeds you with material about sin and then it sells you how to be free from it. But nevertheless there is no one who is trapped, it is just thought playing its movie " I am trapped " and its " struggle " for liberation. And this movie can appear pretty dramatic but in reality no one is trapped, it is just a thought movie. And because no one is trapped, no one can get liberated. But yet in some way liberation is possible, the liberation from the pain and stress thought is causing through effort. But this release from the pain of effort only oocurs when thought is fed up with it. As long as thought thinks suffering is the price to pay for achieving, for attaining or for liberation then that feeling of being trapped will go on. The ending of effort is the beginning of freedom. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > There is no one who is trapped in egoic view and there is no one who > > will be free of it. There is only thought. To be trapped in thought > > is again a thought and to be free of thought is too a thought. > > > > The observer, observation and the observed are the same. Which means > > there never was an observer and never the observed. It is just > > thought which draws an artificial borderline between those. > > > > Werner > > I am trapped in an egoic view. I can feel it. I don't have to think > about it. > > /AL > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the > > > observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only > > observation. > > > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > It is only thought which thinks to be trapped. And it only can think > that because it was fed with material about being trapped, as by > spiritual books. Similarily the church first feeds you with material > about sin and then it sells you how to be free from it. > > But nevertheless there is no one who is trapped, it is just thought > playing its movie " I am trapped " and its " struggle " for liberation. > And this movie can appear pretty dramatic but in reality no one is > trapped, it is just a thought movie. > > And because no one is trapped, no one can get liberated. > > But yet in some way liberation is possible, the liberation from the > pain and stress thought is causing through effort. But this release > from the pain of effort only oocurs when thought is fed up with it. > > As long as thought thinks suffering is the price to pay for > achieving, for attaining or for liberation then that feeling of being > trapped will go on. > > The ending of effort is the beginning of freedom. > > Werner Yes, this effort part is clearly not freedom. Effort to go where? Does the universe really need effort to hold itself together? And is it " me " _AND_ " the universe " , even " me " _AGAINST_ the universe??? Where does that phony separation come from? /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > There is no one who is trapped in egoic view and there is no one > who > > > will be free of it. There is only thought. To be trapped in > thought > > > is again a thought and to be free of thought is too a thought. > > > > > > The observer, observation and the observed are the same. Which > means > > > there never was an observer and never the observed. It is just > > > thought which draws an artificial borderline between those. > > > > > > Werner > > > > I am trapped in an egoic view. I can feel it. I don't have to think > > about it. > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > When you are trapped in an egoic view, then the observer is the > > > > observed. When you are free from the ego then there is only > > > observation. > > > > > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > >There is no one who is trapped in egoic view and there is no one who >will be free of it. There is only thought. To be trapped in thought >is again a thought and to be free of thought is too a thought. Then in your terminology there is thought of one who is trapped... and thought of someone who will be free... >The observer, observation and the observed are the same. Which means >there never was an observer and never the observed. It is just >thought which draws an artificial borderline between those. So, then there was thought of observer and thought of the observed. Besides you call it " thoughts " ... what is the difference, other than the attribute " thought " added to the word? If everything is thought: what is the difference between an " observer " and the " thought of an observer " ? Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > Only the Trapped make a Vain Attempt to come out of the trap ! > The One who is never trapped in this Samsara will never make any attempts for he is fearlesss.... > These r the words of my Master. ********************************** Your Master is a great master!! Love Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > >There is no one who is trapped in egoic view and there is no one who > >will be free of it. There is only thought. To be trapped in thought > >is again a thought and to be free of thought is too a thought. > > Then in your terminology there is thought of one who is trapped... and > thought of someone who will be free... > > >The observer, observation and the observed are the same. Which means > >there never was an observer and never the observed. It is just > >thought which draws an artificial borderline between those. > > So, then there was thought of observer and thought of the observed. > Besides you call it " thoughts " ... what is the difference, other than > the attribute " thought " added to the word? If everything is thought: > what is the difference between an " observer " and the " thought of an > observer " ? > > Greetings > S. ************************** Hey Werner, You should eat meat! You would be stronger. Eating vegetables all day long won't help you much in your sadhana. :-) Just pulling your leg, Werner. Just kidding! Love Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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