Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Enlightenment is used as equivalent to the Sanskrit word ...Jnana. Jnana means ...True Knowledge, the Knowledge of Self. In Sanskrit and other eastern languages, people used to say ( as we can still read in stories ), ...Buddha received Jnana. Westerners learnt to say same thing as ... " Buddha got enlightened " ! However, if we pay little close attention, we can see that both these phrases do NOT mean the exactly Same thing ! In fact, they try to convey something quite different ... Perhaps, ...it is NOT Accidental! .. .... ...... Much of East had grew believing and practicing ...All is God, God is All, Only God is ... ....thus, NO other change that KNOWING this Reality Fully and directly was ever required for someone to be Divine. Only Divine IS and Was. Just this knowledge sometimes got obscured due to wrong identification, constant thinking or dreaming. To erase this wrong identification, to get rid of this obscuring ignorance ...just TRUE Knowledge IS and was Enough. There was no other effort was required to become God, divine, to be God, Godly, ..to BE Divine ...as Only Divine IS. Only Divine Was ... Only Divine IS ... .. .... ...... However, that was Never going to work for the West ..! Most of West had grew up believing, ...all are sons (and daughters) of sin, there are `special' and `only' son of God, there are `special' messenger of God, Rest are just poor, ordinary, sinful creatures whose only hope was ...the Salvation through those `special' sons and messengers ! West had the whole hierarchies of things ... Sun was created to revolve ... " around the earth " ... Cows, fishes, chickens were made so that humans could eat them ... Rest of the creatures were made so that the humans could `rule' and `use' them ... ...... .... .. humans themselves were son/daughter of sin bound for hell ... So, `special' messengers and `only' son were sent by the God `himself' so that sinful humans can achieve salvation and heaven by following them ! .....and, then, on TOP of all this, ...there was A `special' God `controlling' everything !!!! Given that, ...it was NOT Possible for the west to conceive of anything as simple as `know yourself' having anything to do with divine or Godliness. It was too ordinary ... It was too simple ... It needed something on the line ... " God sending `special' `only' son or Messenger of God!! " . If God had failed to do that, ...at least this special God needed to do something similar, Now. Otherwise, how someone like Buddha can be considered `divine' like the special and `only' son and messenger of God that God `himself' had sent !?! ....and, thus things like " Buddha was enlightened " was born to replace simplicity of " Buddha received Jnana " . .. .... ...... However, perhaps, Not surprisingly, ...it also gave way to much manipulation, exploitation as now special `promised God Men', `Avatar' started emerging to manipulate and exploit the masses needing hierarchy or `specialiness' !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 [....] > ...and, thus things like " Buddha was enlightened " was born to replace the simplicity of " Buddha received Jnana " . > In fact, even ... " Buddha received Jnana " is not an Accurate translation. It gives an impression of Duality. It gives and idea that there was someone or something to give him thins Jnana. Further, it gives an impression that Buddha received something that he didn't have Before ... A closer literal translation would be, ... " Buddha got hold of Jnana. " ! ...... .... .. I AM , GOD IS ... ....are two ways to word the same Reality. However, GOD IS ...gives rise to duality and requires someone to know this `GOD'. As Ramana accurately pointed out that someone who knows ... " GOD IS " can NOT possibly be `after', `lower' or `smaller' than ...the " GOD " who is `known'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 > > However, GOD IS ...gives rise to duality and requires someone to know > this `GOD'. > > As Ramana accurately pointed out that someone who knows ... " GOD IS " > can NOT possibly be `after', `lower' or `smaller' than ...the " GOD " > who is `known'! --- Yes, it becomes impossible to describe with words which is why it becomes pointless to attempt it. Then one stops bothering about trying to label and figure out what 'is' and 'is not'. When i came to this experience of understanding my ajna centre (3rd eye) and crown and back of head would burn like on fire with heat. It would vibrate and my whole head would get hot. Many novices don't understand the higher function of brain/mind/thought. They either get trapped in the insatiable game of trying to figure it out and label it (stuck in non-dualism for purpose of doing so) --> intellect. Once this 'knowing', as Ramana described, is experienced the intellect falls into the background and is replaced by understanding/wisdom. Knowledge/intelligence isn't at all the same as knowing/wisdom/understanding. College graduates who run the world are prime proof of that. lol. The altered ego/self tries to resist at every corner, especially making grand intellectual statements to side track by appearing like they 'know' what their talking about. The altered ego/self in itself is insatiable which is why they are left pretty much alone to work it all out. They won't listen to anything that is said unless it fits nicely into their own little idea --> which is always built to protect itself. Then one thinks you (like Ramana) has blasphemed against God for saying this. Or better yet, tell you to wake up. lol. In that way they come of the controller and smart one. I don't like the word " god " because it carries with it so much strict and rigid western religious mumbo jumbo that people have come to believe as rigid and true doctrine (programmed/brainwashed) and they aren't open. ~*~ G ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > However, GOD IS ...gives rise to duality and requires someone to > know > > this `GOD'. > > > > As Ramana accurately pointed out that someone who knows ... " GOD > IS " > > can NOT possibly be `after', `lower' or `smaller' > than ...the " GOD " > > who is `known'! > --- > > Yes, it becomes impossible to describe with words which is why it > becomes pointless to attempt it. Then one stops bothering about > trying to label and figure out what 'is' and 'is not'. When i came > to this experience of understanding my ajna centre (3rd eye) and > crown and back of head would burn like on fire with heat. It would > vibrate and my whole head would get hot. > > Many novices don't understand the higher function of > brain/mind/thought. They either get trapped in the insatiable game > of trying to figure it out and label it (stuck in non-dualism for > purpose of doing so) --> intellect. > Once this 'knowing', as Ramana described, is experienced the > intellect falls into the background and is replaced by > understanding/wisdom. > > Knowledge/intelligence isn't at all the same as > knowing/wisdom/understanding. College graduates who run the world > are prime proof of that. lol. > > The altered ego/self tries to resist at every corner, especially > making grand intellectual statements to side track by appearing like > they 'know' what their talking about. > > The altered ego/self in itself is insatiable which is why they are > left pretty much alone to work it all out. They won't listen to > anything that is said unless it fits nicely into their own little > idea --> which is always built to protect itself. > > Then one thinks you (like Ramana) has blasphemed against God for > saying this. Or better yet, tell you to wake up. lol. In that > way they come of the controller and smart one. > I don't like the word " god " because it carries with it so much > strict and rigid western religious mumbo jumbo that people have come > to believe as rigid and true doctrine (programmed/brainwashed) and > they aren't open. > > ~*~ G > ------------------------ >>Then one thinks you (like Ramana) has blasphemed against God for saying this. Or better yet, tell you to wake up. lol. In that way they come of the controller and smart one. And the parent tucks the child back into bed and lets them nap. A parent doesn't wake the child up from it's sleep. Sleep and Awake state aren't so relevent to the parent because the parent understands the purpose behind both. It says to the child, " sweet dreams " and when they have a nightmare they may try to soothe the child but will the child believe that the nightmare isn't something to be concerned about? That it has a purpose in working out the processes of the psyche? Not usually. The parent knows the child just has to grow out of this stage. No point in teaching university calculus to a child because they won't understand it anyways. They usually kill messiah's remember? ~*~ G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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