Wordless Wonder/Michael

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Nisargadatta , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...>

wrote:

 

>Hi Stefan,

>The thing about these

>discussions on free will is that there is

>often an unannounced veering between the

>absolute and the relative. In the

>practical domain free will implies

>liberty, distinguishing between reasons

>and causes and the like.

 

Hi Michael,

 

I dont understand the distinction between absolute and relative. I was

talking only about the practical domain, because this is all where I

have experience. I do not encounter any freedom to chose. The choices

I make are made only one time and cannot be reversed. The causes that

might have led to the choice are usually very complex. I never could

detect causes that have lead to the choice and have been entirely

products of a free will.

 

>If free will is on the relative plane, in

>the causal arena; can we ever go further

>than freedom as lack of constraint. What

>possible sense can be given to freedom as

>acausal action?

 

Maybe already the practical choices taken are ultimately acausal,

waves on the surface of chaotic conditions. I dont know.

 

>The Bodhisattva allows himself to be bound

>by a vow. Freedom said someone is the

>knowledge of necessity. The wave does not

>move, local water moves up and down

>sequentially. We bob sometimes with the

>asuras and sometimes with the devas.

 

Yes, when I accept the inevitability of that which happens I encounter

a feeling of unlimited freedom. I am not the slave of anybody,

anything. I am simply a part of all. It is strange: when I resist the

inevitability - press an imaginary free will against it all - I feel

slaved. When I accept the inevitability and flow with it, without any

desire to chose, I feel free.

 

>That is early sadhana, later we identify with

>the beginningless energy that moves upon

>the waters.

 

The wordless wonder? :-)

 

Greetings

(and thanks for the recommendation of 4Quartets)

 

Stefan