Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 In a message dated 2/23/05 9:53:00 AM, falkgw writes: > > > Why don't you guys take all this completely empty bullshit off-line? > > All you're doing is, in effect, emailing each other anyway. > > I can't believe there are more and 1 or 2 people other than > yourselves who see any value at all in your mindless rantings. > > Or maybe it's just me, who knows? > > As I say, I mean no disrespect. I " get " that you're all " serious > seekers " and as such, you certainly have every right to try to work > through all your mental bullshit, but frankly, I think you're doing a > major dis-service to this board. > P: Yeah, I agree, and if they see their ramblings as precious instructions to all, at least they could trim the messages, so we don't have to scroll down the same shit to read other peoples' messages. Some people receive digest, which means 25 emails in one, some times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Why don't you guys take all this completely empty bullshit off-line? All you're doing is, in effect, emailing each other anyway. I can't believe there are more and 1 or 2 people other than yourselves who see any value at all in your mindless rantings. Or maybe it's just me, who knows? As I say, I mean no disrespect. I " get " that you're all " serious seekers " and as such, you certainly have every right to try to work through all your mental bullshit, but frankly, I think you're doing a major dis-service to this board. Or maybe, as I've said before, I'm the asshole, and not you guys. Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > ... > > > > > > > > > So what I am saying is that awareness is infinite intelligence sorting > > > out complexity out of randomness. There is no randomness in the > > > universe because everything in awareness is complexity. Every single > > > atom and every single quark is a part of a whole web of complexity. No > > > chance. No accidents. No randomness. Awareness participate in the > > > sense that awareness is infinite intelligence making the choices, > > > _all_ choices, and all of them right choices. What about the wrong > > > choices humans make? There are no wrong choices. No human has ever > > > made any wrong choice. :-) > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > I understand. We are coming full circle to things are as they are. Any > > going out will only result in coming back in a circle to the > > indescribable at the individual level since this level cannot conceive > > the infinite and only limited perspectives obtain. > > > > Lewis > > > > We can use science to understand the infinite in a logical way, which > is not the same as spiritual realisation, but can be helpful in > understanding the immense power of the universe. > > Quantum mechanics has shown that when anything materialize in the > physical universe, then there is a collapse of a wave function. From > an infinite set of probabilities, one probability is chosen making the > wave function take on a physical manifestation. The physical universe > is a coherent structure of particles, space, time, energy e t c with > everything extremely well put together. The computer screen in front > of me is holding together, and there must be some advanced collapsing > of wave functions to make the computer screen hold together in the way > it does. The computer screen is held together even as time passes by. > The computer screen does not suddenly turn into an apple or into a > chaotic mesh of random particles. > > We can see that everything, like the computer screen is held together > in a very advanced way. We can also see the whole universe as objects > neatly ordered. This means that the collapse of wavefunctions is > perhaps the collapse of one coherent gigantic wave function that > encompasses the whole universe. In order to collapse this wave > function in a proper manner, a procedure advanced beyond imagination > is required. If the wave function is collapsed in a wrong way, my > computer screen would instantly become a chaotic mess of random > particles/waves. The same with my body. The same with the entire > earth, moon, sun and stars. > > The capability to exactly collapse the wave function of the universe > we can call God. > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Why don't you guys take all this completely empty bullshit off-line? > > All you're doing is, in effect, emailing each other anyway. > > I can't believe there are more and 1 or 2 people other than > yourselves who see any value at all in your mindless rantings. > > Or maybe it's just me, who knows? > > As I say, I mean no disrespect. I " get " that you're all " serious > seekers " and as such, you certainly have every right to try to work > through all your mental bullshit, but frankly, I think you're doing a > major dis-service to this board. > > Or maybe, as I've said before, I'm the asshole, and not you guys. What I tried to do with this post is to connect today's science with Nisargadatta's description of reality. /AL > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I am saying is that awareness is infinite intelligence > sorting > > > > out complexity out of randomness. There is no randomness in the > > > > universe because everything in awareness is complexity. Every > single > > > > atom and every single quark is a part of a whole web of > complexity. No > > > > chance. No accidents. No randomness. Awareness participate in > the > > > > sense that awareness is infinite intelligence making the > choices, > > > > _all_ choices, and all of them right choices. What about the > wrong > > > > choices humans make? There are no wrong choices. No human has > ever > > > > made any wrong choice. :-) > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > I understand. We are coming full circle to things are as they > are. Any > > > going out will only result in coming back in a circle to the > > > indescribable at the individual level since this level cannot > conceive > > > the infinite and only limited perspectives obtain. > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > We can use science to understand the infinite in a logical way, > which > > is not the same as spiritual realisation, but can be helpful in > > understanding the immense power of the universe. > > > > Quantum mechanics has shown that when anything materialize in the > > physical universe, then there is a collapse of a wave function. From > > an infinite set of probabilities, one probability is chosen making > the > > wave function take on a physical manifestation. The physical > universe > > is a coherent structure of particles, space, time, energy e t c with > > everything extremely well put together. The computer screen in front > > of me is holding together, and there must be some advanced > collapsing > > of wave functions to make the computer screen hold together in the > way > > it does. The computer screen is held together even as time passes > by. > > The computer screen does not suddenly turn into an apple or into a > > chaotic mesh of random particles. > > > > We can see that everything, like the computer screen is held > together > > in a very advanced way. We can also see the whole universe as > objects > > neatly ordered. This means that the collapse of wavefunctions is > > perhaps the collapse of one coherent gigantic wave function that > > encompasses the whole universe. In order to collapse this wave > > function in a proper manner, a procedure advanced beyond imagination > > is required. If the wave function is collapsed in a wrong way, my > > computer screen would instantly become a chaotic mess of random > > particles/waves. The same with my body. The same with the entire > > earth, moon, sun and stars. > > > > The capability to exactly collapse the wave function of the universe > > we can call God. > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Sorry, AL, I was just venting. Feeling a bit peevish today and amped up. I, for one, would definitely like to " break out of this shell " of egoic self-interest and just BE the space of no-thing-ness that I Am, especially when I read the great Niz, especially his final dialogues (as recorded by Jean Dunn). I'm taking a chill pill even as we speak. Don't mind me. Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > > Why don't you guys take all this completely empty bullshit off- line? > > > > All you're doing is, in effect, emailing each other anyway. > > > > I can't believe there are more and 1 or 2 people other than > > yourselves who see any value at all in your mindless rantings. > > > > Or maybe it's just me, who knows? > > > > As I say, I mean no disrespect. I " get " that you're all " serious > > seekers " and as such, you certainly have every right to try to work > > through all your mental bullshit, but frankly, I think you're doing a > > major dis-service to this board. > > > > Or maybe, as I've said before, I'm the asshole, and not you guys. > > What I tried to do with this post is to connect today's science with > Nisargadatta's description of reality. > > /AL > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I am saying is that awareness is infinite intelligence > > sorting > > > > > out complexity out of randomness. There is no randomness in the > > > > > universe because everything in awareness is complexity. Every > > single > > > > > atom and every single quark is a part of a whole web of > > complexity. No > > > > > chance. No accidents. No randomness. Awareness participate in > > the > > > > > sense that awareness is infinite intelligence making the > > choices, > > > > > _all_ choices, and all of them right choices. What about the > > wrong > > > > > choices humans make? There are no wrong choices. No human has > > ever > > > > > made any wrong choice. :-) > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand. We are coming full circle to things are as they > > are. Any > > > > going out will only result in coming back in a circle to the > > > > indescribable at the individual level since this level cannot > > conceive > > > > the infinite and only limited perspectives obtain. > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > We can use science to understand the infinite in a logical way, > > which > > > is not the same as spiritual realisation, but can be helpful in > > > understanding the immense power of the universe. > > > > > > Quantum mechanics has shown that when anything materialize in the > > > physical universe, then there is a collapse of a wave function. From > > > an infinite set of probabilities, one probability is chosen making > > the > > > wave function take on a physical manifestation. The physical > > universe > > > is a coherent structure of particles, space, time, energy e t c with > > > everything extremely well put together. The computer screen in front > > > of me is holding together, and there must be some advanced > > collapsing > > > of wave functions to make the computer screen hold together in the > > way > > > it does. The computer screen is held together even as time passes > > by. > > > The computer screen does not suddenly turn into an apple or into a > > > chaotic mesh of random particles. > > > > > > We can see that everything, like the computer screen is held > > together > > > in a very advanced way. We can also see the whole universe as > > objects > > > neatly ordered. This means that the collapse of wavefunctions is > > > perhaps the collapse of one coherent gigantic wave function that > > > encompasses the whole universe. In order to collapse this wave > > > function in a proper manner, a procedure advanced beyond imagination > > > is required. If the wave function is collapsed in a wrong way, my > > > computer screen would instantly become a chaotic mess of random > > > particles/waves. The same with my body. The same with the entire > > > earth, moon, sun and stars. > > > > > > The capability to exactly collapse the wave function of the universe > > > we can call God. > > > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Why don't you guys take all this completely empty bullshit off-line? > > All you're doing is, in effect, emailing each other anyway. > > I can't believe there are more and 1 or 2 people other than > yourselves who see any value at all in your mindless rantings. > > Or maybe it's just me, who knows? > > As I say, I mean no disrespect. I " get " that you're all " serious > seekers " and as such, you certainly have every right to try to work > through all your mental bullshit, but frankly, I think you're doing a > major dis-service to this board. > > Or maybe, as I've said before, I'm the asshole, and not you guys. > If they spent one-tenth as much time discussing the reason why they do what they do (chit-chatting about " spiritual matters " ), instead of mindlessly chit-chatting about " spiritual matters " , they might hit upon something, well, *interesting*. Who knows. I don't believe for one second either has a clue about that; they just " take it all for granted " , and the bleeding continues apace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > Sorry, AL, I was just venting. Feeling a bit peevish today and amped > up. I, for one, would definitely like to " break out of this shell " of > egoic self-interest and just BE the space of no-thing-ness that I Am, > especially when I read the great Niz, especially his final dialogues > (as recorded by Jean Dunn). > > I'm taking a chill pill even as we speak. Don't mind me. But I agree that words and words seem not to get anywhere, even words from sages seem not to be enough to make one see through the egoic cloud. /AL > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > Why don't you guys take all this completely empty bullshit off- > line? > > > > > > All you're doing is, in effect, emailing each other anyway. > > > > > > I can't believe there are more and 1 or 2 people other than > > > yourselves who see any value at all in your mindless rantings. > > > > > > Or maybe it's just me, who knows? > > > > > > As I say, I mean no disrespect. I " get " that you're all " serious > > > seekers " and as such, you certainly have every right to try to > work > > > through all your mental bullshit, but frankly, I think you're > doing a > > > major dis-service to this board. > > > > > > Or maybe, as I've said before, I'm the asshole, and not you guys. > > > > What I tried to do with this post is to connect today's science with > > Nisargadatta's description of reality. > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess > <lbb10@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I am saying is that awareness is infinite > intelligence > > > sorting > > > > > > out complexity out of randomness. There is no randomness in > the > > > > > > universe because everything in awareness is complexity. > Every > > > single > > > > > > atom and every single quark is a part of a whole web of > > > complexity. No > > > > > > chance. No accidents. No randomness. Awareness participate > in > > > the > > > > > > sense that awareness is infinite intelligence making the > > > choices, > > > > > > _all_ choices, and all of them right choices. What about > the > > > wrong > > > > > > choices humans make? There are no wrong choices. No human > has > > > ever > > > > > > made any wrong choice. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand. We are coming full circle to things are as they > > > are. Any > > > > > going out will only result in coming back in a circle to the > > > > > indescribable at the individual level since this level cannot > > > conceive > > > > > the infinite and only limited perspectives obtain. > > > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can use science to understand the infinite in a logical way, > > > which > > > > is not the same as spiritual realisation, but can be helpful in > > > > understanding the immense power of the universe. > > > > > > > > Quantum mechanics has shown that when anything materialize in > the > > > > physical universe, then there is a collapse of a wave function. > From > > > > an infinite set of probabilities, one probability is chosen > making > > > the > > > > wave function take on a physical manifestation. The physical > > > universe > > > > is a coherent structure of particles, space, time, energy e t c > with > > > > everything extremely well put together. The computer screen in > front > > > > of me is holding together, and there must be some advanced > > > collapsing > > > > of wave functions to make the computer screen hold together in > the > > > way > > > > it does. The computer screen is held together even as time > passes > > > by. > > > > The computer screen does not suddenly turn into an apple or > into a > > > > chaotic mesh of random particles. > > > > > > > > We can see that everything, like the computer screen is held > > > together > > > > in a very advanced way. We can also see the whole universe as > > > objects > > > > neatly ordered. This means that the collapse of wavefunctions is > > > > perhaps the collapse of one coherent gigantic wave function that > > > > encompasses the whole universe. In order to collapse this wave > > > > function in a proper manner, a procedure advanced beyond > imagination > > > > is required. If the wave function is collapsed in a wrong way, > my > > > > computer screen would instantly become a chaotic mess of random > > > > particles/waves. The same with my body. The same with the entire > > > > earth, moon, sun and stars. > > > > > > > > The capability to exactly collapse the wave function of the > universe > > > > we can call God. > > > > > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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