Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 O: What now if you put God aside??? I stretch lazily and grab handfuls of good Zen air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Are you sure that when you die everything is finished? Are you sure you are not immortal? Are you absolutly sure that God does not exist? Are you sure the Masters were wrong? Are you sure that life just happens... without a purpose? Are you really sure that you do not exist? I never seen non-existing beings worry soo much about their non-existing life? Are you sure that the Self does or does not exist? Are you sure we are not responsable of anything? None is? Hitler is a good man, and the killers etc too. They are programmed? Are you sure? Haven't they choose to kill or is it their hands that took control? Finding answers to those question doesn't mean you are right. e.g. Life after death. Is it true? I say no!! So now that I found my answer this is the truth? The truth is prior to your belief and hopes. So if you really think that after life there is nothing... don't worry about it. If you have to go to hell, Hell won't ask you permission to get you in there. It will take you, anyway. Do a car ask you permission before killing you in an accident? Why should Hell ask you? If you have to go there... you will go there you can count on it. And by the way.. why do you think you are so willing to get out of this game of life. Isn't it because you already are tasting the flavor of hell? But there is hope. This labyrinth can be vanquished. Through the grace of the God, with the help of God. What now if you put God aside??? Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Are you sure that when you die everything is finished? No > Are you sure you are not immortal? No > Are you absolutly sure that God does not exist? No > Are you sure the Masters were wrong? No > Are you sure that life just happens... without a purpose? I see purpose. I call it complexity. I suspect that everything is complexity, and with clarity one becomes complexity itself, and then everything is clear. Suffering is complexity penetrating chaos. > Are you really sure that you do not exist? I am sure that I exist. I never seen non-existing > beings worry soo much about their non-existing life? I am not non-existing! > Are you sure that the Self does or does not exist? I call the Self the idea that everything is conneted. Spiritual masters claim to know the Self directly. > Are you sure we are not responsable of anything? None is? Hitler is > a good man, and the killers etc too. They are programmed? Are you > sure? No > Haven't they choose to kill or is it their hands that took > control? They have seemingly chosen to kill, and that makes them responsible on the relative plane. > > > Finding answers to those question doesn't mean you are right. > e.g. Life after death. Is it true? I say no!! So now that I found my > answer this is the truth? My guess is that death is not possible. > > The truth is prior to your belief and hopes. So if you really think > that after life there is nothing... don't worry about it. If you > have to go to hell, Hell won't ask you permission to get you in > there. It will take you, anyway. Do a car ask you permission before > killing you in an accident? Why should Hell ask you? If you have to > go there... you will go there you can count on it. And by the way.. > why do you think you are so willing to get out of this game of life. > Isn't it because you already are tasting the flavor of hell? > > But there is hope. This labyrinth can be vanquished. Through the > grace of the God, with the help of God. > What now if you put God aside??? > > > Odysseus, I believe God is infinite intelligence and that we are all God. I hope that my idea will be proven to be correct and that I and everybody else will soon start to feel good, very good. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > Are you sure that when you die everything is finished? > > No > > > Are you sure you are not immortal? > > No > > > Are you absolutly sure that God does not exist? > > No > > > Are you sure the Masters were wrong? > > No > > > Are you sure that life just happens... without a purpose? > > I see purpose. I call it complexity. I suspect that everything is > complexity, and with clarity one becomes complexity itself, and then > everything is clear. Suffering is complexity penetrating chaos. > > > Are you really sure that you do not exist? > > I am sure that I exist. > > I never seen non-existing > > beings worry soo much about their non-existing life? > > I am not non-existing! > > > Are you sure that the Self does or does not exist? > > I call the Self the idea that everything is conneted. Spiritual > masters claim to know the Self directly. > > > Are you sure we are not responsable of anything? None is? Hitler is > > a good man, and the killers etc too. They are programmed? Are you > > sure? > > No > > > Haven't they choose to kill or is it their hands that took > > control? > > They have seemingly chosen to kill, and that makes them responsible on > the relative plane. > > > > > > > Finding answers to those question doesn't mean you are right. > > e.g. Life after death. Is it true? I say no!! So now that I found my > > answer this is the truth? > > My guess is that death is not possible. > > > > > The truth is prior to your belief and hopes. So if you really think > > that after life there is nothing... don't worry about it. If you > > have to go to hell, Hell won't ask you permission to get you in > > there. It will take you, anyway. Do a car ask you permission before > > killing you in an accident? Why should Hell ask you? If you have to > > go there... you will go there you can count on it. And by the way.. > > why do you think you are so willing to get out of this game of life. > > Isn't it because you already are tasting the flavor of hell? > > > > But there is hope. This labyrinth can be vanquished. Through the > > grace of the God, with the help of God. > > What now if you put God aside??? > > > > > > Odysseus, > > I believe God is infinite intelligence and that we are all God. I hope > that my idea will be proven to be correct and that I and everybody > else will soon start to feel good, very good. > > /AL ****************************** Odysseus: Al, very bright reply of yours. I say we are divided in our hearts and mind we are far from the Self. When the two become one. There is no division possible anymore. We are, the " I am " talked by many masters. AL: I am sure that I exist. Odysseus: Nothing in the world can stop you from being... even death can't stop you. This is your true identity. Al, Alberto or Odysseus are just a mere expression of the Self. You said I am sure that I exist! You said well. If you enter this discovery, you will begin to understand a lot about the masters. Not because you think. But rather because you " are " ! Love Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure that when you die everything is finished? > > > > No > > > > > Are you sure you are not immortal? > > > > No > > > > > Are you absolutly sure that God does not exist? > > > > No > > > > > Are you sure the Masters were wrong? > > > > No > > > > > Are you sure that life just happens... without a purpose? > > > > I see purpose. I call it complexity. I suspect that everything is > > complexity, and with clarity one becomes complexity itself, and > then > > everything is clear. Suffering is complexity penetrating chaos. > > > > > Are you really sure that you do not exist? > > > > I am sure that I exist. > > > > I never seen non-existing > > > beings worry soo much about their non-existing life? > > > > I am not non-existing! > > > > > Are you sure that the Self does or does not exist? > > > > I call the Self the idea that everything is conneted. Spiritual > > masters claim to know the Self directly. > > > > > Are you sure we are not responsable of anything? None is? Hitler > is > > > a good man, and the killers etc too. They are programmed? Are > you > > > sure? > > > > No > > > > > Haven't they choose to kill or is it their hands that took > > > control? > > > > They have seemingly chosen to kill, and that makes them > responsible on > > the relative plane. > > > > > > > > > > > Finding answers to those question doesn't mean you are right. > > > e.g. Life after death. Is it true? I say no!! So now that I > found my > > > answer this is the truth? > > > > My guess is that death is not possible. > > > > > > > > The truth is prior to your belief and hopes. So if you really > think > > > that after life there is nothing... don't worry about it. If you > > > have to go to hell, Hell won't ask you permission to get you in > > > there. It will take you, anyway. Do a car ask you permission > before > > > killing you in an accident? Why should Hell ask you? If you have > to > > > go there... you will go there you can count on it. And by the > way.. > > > why do you think you are so willing to get out of this game of > life. > > > Isn't it because you already are tasting the flavor of hell? > > > > > > But there is hope. This labyrinth can be vanquished. Through the > > > grace of the God, with the help of God. > > > What now if you put God aside??? > > > > > > > > > Odysseus, > > > > I believe God is infinite intelligence and that we are all God. I > hope > > that my idea will be proven to be correct and that I and everybody > > else will soon start to feel good, very good. > > > > /AL > > ****************************** > > Odysseus: Al, very bright reply of yours. I say we are divided in > our hearts and mind we are far from the Self. When the two become > one. There is no division possible anymore. We are, the " I am " > talked by many masters. > > AL: I am sure that I exist. > > Odysseus: Nothing in the world can stop you from being... even death > can't stop you. This is your true identity. Al, Alberto or Odysseus > are just a mere expression of the Self. You said I am sure that I > exist! You said well. If you enter this discovery, you will begin to > understand a lot about the masters. Not because you think. But > rather because you " are " ! > > Love > Odysseus, And when we see that we are now, then we can begin to see that we can reach deeper into the now. Suffering is perhaps there, yes, and the wanting of suffering to end is there yes, and hope, and so on, and yet this is the now. This is it! This moment is it! )) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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