Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine > yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by > fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will > smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! > the ego is like a nightmare, or a hallucination, made worse by our upbringing in a civilization which is itslef based on the madness. no matter what effort you make within the nightmare, you can't get out. because the root of the effort is the ego itself. imho all humans are insane - only a question of degree. only the buddha is sane. but then how _does_ the ego subside? i don't know. this is why it called the grace of God (or satguru in india). imho the best practices are prayer and self-awareness. it seems like it is a slow process - the ego dissolves slowly under self-awareness. it is like a block of ice thrown into boiling water. initially it seems nothing is happening - the size of the block seems the same. but unknown to us changes are happening. and the smaller the ice gets the faster it melts. till one day while looking for it it cannot be found, and only the seeker remains who is confident in itself. and with it spontaneous love, compassion and faith emerge. these are not different from our true-nature. they _are_ our true-nature. unless we have those " something is missing " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine > > yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by > > fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will > > smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! > > > > the ego is like a nightmare, or a hallucination, made worse by our > upbringing in a civilization which is itslef based on the madness. no > matter what effort you make within the nightmare, you can't get out. > because the root of the effort is the ego itself. imho all humans are > insane - only a question of degree. only the buddha is sane. > > but then how _does_ the ego subside? i don't know. this is why it > called the grace of God (or satguru in india). imho the best practices > are prayer and self-awareness. > > it seems like it is a slow process - the ego dissolves slowly under > self-awareness. it is like a block of ice thrown into boiling water. > initially it seems nothing is happening - the size of the block seems > the same. but unknown to us changes are happening. and the smaller the > ice gets the faster it melts. till one day while looking for it it > cannot be found, and only the seeker remains who is confident in > itself. and with it spontaneous love, compassion and faith emerge. > these are not different from our true-nature. they _are_ our > true-nature. unless we have those " something is missing " . I have come to believe that the ego is not actually personal, but social. The ego is all those relations between the " me " and " the world " . Nothing wrong with that. We need to have relations to the context in which we operate. The problem arises I think when the connection to the divine is lost and there is a constant struggle for the iceblock/ " me " . This struggle indicates an imbalance, a lack of harmony with one's own relations to the world. The melting of ice you mentioned is I think a good illustration of this disharmony and the resolution of it. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine > > > yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by > > > fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will > > > smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! > > > > > > > the ego is like a nightmare, or a hallucination, made worse by our > > upbringing in a civilization which is itslef based on the madness. no > > matter what effort you make within the nightmare, you can't get out. > > because the root of the effort is the ego itself. imho all humans are > > insane - only a question of degree. only the buddha is sane. > > > > but then how _does_ the ego subside? i don't know. this is why it > > called the grace of God (or satguru in india). imho the best practices > > are prayer and self-awareness. > > > > it seems like it is a slow process - the ego dissolves slowly under > > self-awareness. it is like a block of ice thrown into boiling water. > > initially it seems nothing is happening - the size of the block seems > > the same. but unknown to us changes are happening. and the smaller the > > ice gets the faster it melts. till one day while looking for it it > > cannot be found, and only the seeker remains who is confident in > > itself. and with it spontaneous love, compassion and faith emerge. > > these are not different from our true-nature. they _are_ our > > true-nature. unless we have those " something is missing " . > > I have come to believe that the ego is not actually personal, but > social. The ego is all those relations between the " me " and " the > world " . Nothing wrong with that. We need to have relations to the > context in which we operate. The problem arises I think when the > connection to the divine is lost and there is a constant struggle for > the iceblock/ " me " . This struggle indicates an imbalance, a lack of > harmony with one's own relations to the world. > > The melting of ice you mentioned is I think a good illustration of > this disharmony and the resolution of it. > the insight you gave of the ego being a social creation is important. there is an animal basis to the ego. all beings, even the buddha want to stay alive. this is natural. and the animal world is " eat or be eaten " . the sad part is that our civilization is barely out of the animal realm. it is driven by people who are deep in madness of ego. it is based on fear and possession. to stay alive you need resources - land, water, air, food etc. our ancestors being full of fear, grabbed all the resources and the result was that the children who are born naked have to struggle to survive to buy the resources to stay alive. some struggle is inevitable in all life, but imho our civilization thrives on it. in the mythological past it seems on the basis of the myths passed to us that they were not so deep in the ego. they still respected the mystical element of the universe. or maybe they were closer to nature. somewhere along the line after the monotheistic religions came along the innocence got replaced by cleverness and control of nature - meaning denial of resources to others. eg, the message to kids today is - to be happy you need toys, cartoons, pop-tarts etc. growing up in such a society has them totally hypnotized with the sensations and possessions. for anyone to get the message that the perceiver is sufficient in itself - not many minds are able to get that subtlety today. but even then for the perceiver to be united with its vehicle (the body), it needs material resources , ie, has to work to pay for them. the lunatics are running the asylum. and they make sure the children become like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine > > > > yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by > > > > fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will > > > > smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! > > > > > > > > > > the ego is like a nightmare, or a hallucination, made worse by our > > > upbringing in a civilization which is itslef based on the madness. no > > > matter what effort you make within the nightmare, you can't get out. > > > because the root of the effort is the ego itself. imho all humans are > > > insane - only a question of degree. only the buddha is sane. > > > > > > but then how _does_ the ego subside? i don't know. this is why it > > > called the grace of God (or satguru in india). imho the best practices > > > are prayer and self-awareness. > > > > > > it seems like it is a slow process - the ego dissolves slowly under > > > self-awareness. it is like a block of ice thrown into boiling water. > > > initially it seems nothing is happening - the size of the block seems > > > the same. but unknown to us changes are happening. and the smaller the > > > ice gets the faster it melts. till one day while looking for it it > > > cannot be found, and only the seeker remains who is confident in > > > itself. and with it spontaneous love, compassion and faith emerge. > > > these are not different from our true-nature. they _are_ our > > > true-nature. unless we have those " something is missing " . > > > > I have come to believe that the ego is not actually personal, but > > social. The ego is all those relations between the " me " and " the > > world " . Nothing wrong with that. We need to have relations to the > > context in which we operate. The problem arises I think when the > > connection to the divine is lost and there is a constant struggle for > > the iceblock/ " me " . This struggle indicates an imbalance, a lack of > > harmony with one's own relations to the world. > > > > The melting of ice you mentioned is I think a good illustration of > > this disharmony and the resolution of it. > > > the insight you gave of the ego being a social creation is important. > there is an animal basis to the ego. all beings, even the buddha want > to stay alive. this is natural. and the animal world is " eat or be > eaten " . > > the sad part is that our civilization is barely out of the animal > realm. it is driven by people who are deep in madness of ego. it is > based on fear and possession. to stay alive you need resources - land, > water, air, food etc. our ancestors being full of fear, grabbed all > the resources and the result was that the children who are born naked > have to struggle to survive to buy the resources to stay alive. > > some struggle is inevitable in all life, but imho our civilization > thrives on it. in the mythological past it seems on the basis of the > myths passed to us that they were not so deep in the ego. they still > respected the mystical element of the universe. or maybe they were > closer to nature. somewhere along the line after the monotheistic > religions came along the innocence got replaced by cleverness and > control of nature - meaning denial of resources to others. > > eg, the message to kids today is - to be happy you need toys, > cartoons, pop-tarts etc. growing up in such a society has them totally > hypnotized with the sensations and possessions. > > for anyone to get the message that the perceiver is sufficient in > itself - not many minds are able to get that subtlety today. but even > then for the perceiver to be united with its vehicle (the body), it > needs material resources , ie, has to work to pay for them. > > the lunatics are running the asylum. and they make sure the children > become like them. Society forms persons so people are society more than they are individuals. We may _think_ and _believe_ we are individuals while actually being pawns in society, totally, thoroughly brain-washed by society. We have become puppets, slaves to everything around us. Who needs the future, society or you? Are we aware that all our thoughts, ideas and emotions about the future are possessing us? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 >Are we aware that all our thoughts, ideas and emotions about the >future are possessing us? the insecurity about the future is not without cause. imho our society / economy encourages this sort of insecurity. to live you need land. they don't make land anymore. etc. so you worry about getting money to pay the mortgage. after a certain age if you lose your job it is very difficult to find one. etc. these are genuine concerns. in the days of the buddha he had the privilege of abandoning everything and heading into the forest. today that is not practical. almost all resources necessary to live (meaning the ones which could fetch a price) are under possession. so today you need skill as well to stay alive. if you go around as a mystic in love, likely will be locked up and injected with mind-numbing drugs. our society has become too powerful and the root of that power is the possession of all land. there are ways to fix it but i don't think we'll be able to change this system in our lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > >Are we aware that all our thoughts, ideas and emotions about the > >future are possessing us? > > the insecurity about the future is not without cause. imho our society / > economy encourages this sort of insecurity. to live you need land. they > don't make land anymore. etc. so you worry about getting money to pay the > mortgage. after a certain age if you lose your job it is very difficult to > find one. etc. > > these are genuine concerns. in the days of the buddha he had the privilege > of abandoning everything and heading into the forest. today that is not > practical. almost all resources necessary to live (meaning the ones which > could fetch a price) are under possession. > > so today you need skill as well to stay alive. if you go around as a mystic > in love, likely will be locked up and injected with mind-numbing drugs. > > our society has become too powerful and the root of that power is the > possession of all land. there are ways to fix it but i don't think we'll be > able to change this system in our lifetime. You might build your very own wailing wall. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Concepts Concepts Concepts Guruji Anders .... {like sri sri sri } Namasthe ! I have a request pls dont use words like f****, B**********, A**.(Common request to all ) That shows mere frustration ... A frustrated mind cannot understand nor grasp the subtle.... It can imagine only smashing potatoes ...etc ... What not ??? Apply the soft balm of understanding to ur head ...and get out of this dream... there will no head aches... simply smashing ur head against concepts will not do ... anders_lindman [anders_lindman] Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:58 AM Nisargadatta Meditating on the ego Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! LOL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > Concepts Concepts Concepts Guruji Anders .... {like sri sri sri } > Namasthe ! > I have a request pls dont use words like f****, B**********, A**.(Common request to all ) > That shows mere frustration ... > A frustrated mind cannot understand nor grasp the subtle.... > It can imagine only smashing potatoes ...etc ... > What not ??? > Apply the soft balm of understanding to ur head ...and get out of this dream... > there will no head aches... > simply smashing ur head against concepts will not do ... I appologize for my little nasty attempt of a joke. A bit cheap to use swear words. I also understand that swear words in English can be more offending to native english-speaking people (just as Swedish swear words are more offending to a Swedish person). It's like Ken Wilber's quadrant model. To really understand another group of people you actually have to experience that culture not only from the outside (empirical study, the Lower-Right quadrant), but also from _within_ that culture itself (hermeneutics, the Lower-Left quadrant). http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/Wilber_IV.html /AL > > > anders_lindman [anders_lindman] > Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:58 AM > Nisargadatta > Meditating on the ego > > > > Imagine your ego to be a potato, a well cooked potato. Then imagine > yourself dropping this potato on the floor and then smashing it by > fiercely jumping on it going: I told you so, you fucking ego, I will > smash you to tiny pieces you fuckin' bastard! > > LOL > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > Concepts Concepts Concepts Guruji Anders .... {like sri sri sri } > > Namasthe ! > > I have a request pls dont use words like f****, B**********, > A**.(Common request to all ) > > That shows mere frustration ... > > A frustrated mind cannot understand nor grasp the subtle.... > > It can imagine only smashing potatoes ...etc ... > > What not ??? > > Apply the soft balm of understanding to ur head ...and get out of > this dream... > > there will no head aches... > > simply smashing ur head against concepts will not do ... > > I appologize for my little nasty attempt of a joke. A bit cheap to use > swear words. I also understand that swear words in English can be more offending to native english-speaking people (just as Swedish swear words are more offending to a Swedish person). It's like Ken Wilber's quadrant model. To really understand another group of people you actually have to experience that culture not only from the outside empirical study, the Lower-Right quadrant), but also from _within that culture itself (hermeneutics, the Lower-Left quadrant). Odysseus: Beware of the outside empirical study of the Self. It looks beautiful but one miss the point. We cannot understand the Self with the mind or thoughts. There is no need to get a Ph.D to awaken to our selves. If we needed that kind of understanding. Don't you think that there would be thousands and thousands of awaken people throughout the world as Ramana was? To master the mind is a great thing. Using it at will shows our intelligence. But the mind it self keeps us away of the Self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > Concepts Concepts Concepts Guruji Anders .... {like sri sri > sri } > > > Namasthe ! > > > I have a request pls dont use words like f****, B**********, > > A**.(Common request to all ) > > > That shows mere frustration ... > > > A frustrated mind cannot understand nor grasp the subtle.... > > > It can imagine only smashing potatoes ...etc ... > > > What not ??? > > > Apply the soft balm of understanding to ur head ...and get out of > > this dream... > > > there will no head aches... > > > simply smashing ur head against concepts will not do ... > > > > I appologize for my little nasty attempt of a joke. A bit cheap to > use > > swear words. I also understand that swear words in English can be > more offending to native english-speaking people (just as Swedish > swear words are more offending to a Swedish person). It's like Ken > Wilber's quadrant model. To really understand another group of > people you actually have to experience that culture not only from > the outside empirical study, the Lower-Right quadrant), but also > from _within that culture itself (hermeneutics, the Lower-Left > quadrant). > > Odysseus: Beware of the outside empirical study of the Self. It > looks beautiful but one miss the point. We cannot understand the > Self with the mind or thoughts. There is no need to get a Ph.D to > awaken to our selves. If we needed that kind of understanding. Don't > you think that there would be thousands and thousands of awaken > people throughout the world as Ramana was? To master the mind is a > great thing. Using it at will shows our intelligence. But the mind > it self keeps us away of the Self. Hi Odysseus, How are you? In your last appearances here you have spoken of your experience. You have placed words here about matters of the Self. You have spoken in detail. May I ask how what you have said is different than what the author of Tripura Rahasya has done or said? What is the difference in reading your words and the words of that author? Are they not both words and expressions about the Self? And do not your words and the words of that author resonate in almost precisely the same melodies? Yours, Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > Concepts Concepts Concepts Guruji Anders .... {like sri sri > sri } > > > Namasthe ! > > > I have a request pls dont use words like f****, B**********, > > A**.(Common request to all ) > > > That shows mere frustration ... > > > A frustrated mind cannot understand nor grasp the subtle.... > > > It can imagine only smashing potatoes ...etc ... > > > What not ??? > > > Apply the soft balm of understanding to ur head ...and get out of > > this dream... > > > there will no head aches... > > > simply smashing ur head against concepts will not do ... > > > > I appologize for my little nasty attempt of a joke. A bit cheap to > use > > swear words. I also understand that swear words in English can be > more offending to native english-speaking people (just as Swedish > swear words are more offending to a Swedish person). It's like Ken > Wilber's quadrant model. To really understand another group of > people you actually have to experience that culture not only from > the outside empirical study, the Lower-Right quadrant), but also > from _within that culture itself (hermeneutics, the Lower-Left > quadrant). > > Odysseus: Beware of the outside empirical study of the Self. It > looks beautiful but one miss the point. We cannot understand the > Self with the mind or thoughts. There is no need to get a Ph.D to > awaken to our selves. If we needed that kind of understanding. Don't > you think that there would be thousands and thousands of awaken > people throughout the world as Ramana was? To master the mind is a > great thing. Using it at will shows our intelligence. But the mind > it self keeps us away of the Self. I mentioned Wilber's model because it points to a possibility of integrating empirical studies with subjective awareness. This means that the mind with its ability to analyze and conceptualize may not need to be in opposition to spiritual awakenening but rather a necessary prerequisite for integral spiritual awakening. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 ==I mentioned Wilber's model because it points to a possibility of integrating empirical studies with subjective awareness. This means that the mind with its ability to analyze and conceptualize may not need to be in opposition to spiritual awakenening but rather a necessary prerequisite for integral spiritual awakening. --------- The combination of 'not being based on anything' and 'giving rise to the mind' means that ultimate truth and conventional reality are brought together and synthesized. The synthesis of emptiness and phenomenal reality is composed of phenomenal reality, emptiness of the always changing phenomenal reality and the union of these two. That which is called magnificence is the synthesis of the true emptiness which does not obstruct anything within the phenomenal universe, and the truth that nothing within the phenomenal universe obstructs emptiness. There is not even the slightest dharma that can be attained in highest complete enlightenment, and this is what is called highest complete enlightenment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , Insight <insight@s...> wrote: > ==I mentioned Wilber's model because it points to a possibility of > integrating empirical studies with subjective awareness. This means > that the mind with its ability to analyze and conceptualize may not > need to be in opposition to spiritual awakenening but rather a > necessary prerequisite for integral spiritual awakening. > > --------- > > The combination of 'not being based on anything' > and 'giving rise to the mind' means that ultimate > truth and conventional reality are brought together > and synthesized. The synthesis of emptiness and > phenomenal reality is composed of phenomenal > reality, emptiness of the always changing phenomenal > reality and the union of these two. > > > That which is called magnificence is the synthesis > of the true emptiness which does not obstruct > anything within the phenomenal universe, and > the truth that nothing within the phenomenal > universe obstructs emptiness. > > > There is not even the slightest dharma that > can be attained in highest complete enlightenment, > and this is what is called highest complete > enlightenment. > > The marriage between emptiness and form! I like that. I will alsi take the opportunity here to correct myself: I actually did not mention Wilber's model to illustrate integral awakening but to pinpoint the difference between looking at a culture from outside and actually living it from the inside. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > Concepts Concepts Concepts Guruji Anders .... {like sri sri > > sri } > > > > Namasthe ! > > > > I have a request pls dont use words like f****, B**********, > > > A**.(Common request to all ) > > > > That shows mere frustration ... > > > > A frustrated mind cannot understand nor grasp the subtle.... > > > > It can imagine only smashing potatoes ...etc ... > > > > What not ??? > > > > Apply the soft balm of understanding to ur head ...and get out of > > > this dream... > > > > there will no head aches... > > > > simply smashing ur head against concepts will not do ... > > > > > > I appologize for my little nasty attempt of a joke. A bit cheap to > > use > > > swear words. I also understand that swear words in English can be > > more offending to native english-speaking people (just as Swedish > > swear words are more offending to a Swedish person). It's like Ken > > Wilber's quadrant model. To really understand another group of > > people you actually have to experience that culture not only from > > the outside empirical study, the Lower-Right quadrant), but also > > from _within that culture itself (hermeneutics, the Lower-Left > > quadrant). > > > > Odysseus: Beware of the outside empirical study of the Self. It > > looks beautiful but one miss the point. We cannot understand the > > Self with the mind or thoughts. There is no need to get a Ph.D to > > awaken to our selves. If we needed that kind of understanding. Don't > > you think that there would be thousands and thousands of awaken > > people throughout the world as Ramana was? To master the mind is a > > great thing. Using it at will shows our intelligence. But the mind > > it self keeps us away of the Self. > > > > Hi Odysseus, > > How are you? In your last appearances here you have spoken of your > experience. You have placed words here about matters of the Self. You > have spoken in detail. May I ask how what you have said is different > than what the author of Tripura Rahasya has done or said? What is the > difference in reading your words and the words of that author? Are > they not both words and expressions about the Self? And do not your > words and the words of that author resonate in almost precisely the > same melodies? > > Yours, > > Lewis ********************** Beloved Alexander, I have not red Tripura Rahasya. Let me read it before I gave you any comments! :0) When you find two spanish persons it is possible that they speak the same language. Do you have an exact site were you want me to read it? Thanks Odysseus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 > > Beloved Alexander, > > I have not red Tripura Rahasya. Let me read it before I gave you any > comments! :0) When you find two spanish persons it is possible that > they speak the same language. Do you have an exact site were you > want me to read it? > > Thanks > Odysseus, My Dear Odysseus, You can read the Tripura Rahasya at: http://sss.vn.ua/tripura1.htm Love, Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 > > Hi Odysseus, > > > > How are you? In your last appearances here you have spoken of your experience. You have placed words here about matters of the Self. You have spoken in detail. May I ask how what you have said is > different than what the author of Tripura Rahasya has done or said? What is the difference in reading your words and the words of that author? Are they not both words and expressions about the Self? Odysseus: Yes words and expression about the Self. Lewis: And do not your words and the words of that author resonate in almost precisely the same melodies? Odysseus: Yes, almost the same. Dear Alexander, I've red the chapter XV : On what need be known and need not be known and on the Nature of the Self. I am delighted to read thoses texts. So precious and so true. I love particularly those sentences: 1- 8. " I do not see how it can be realised if it surpasses knowledge. The goal is not achieved without realising it. 2- 22. " This is due to the Grace of God which puts you in the right way of investigation. Who can attain anything worthy, without divine Grace? 3- 24-25. " What you have said so far is quite true; you have rightly understood the nature of consciousness but have not realised it. A knowledge of the property of a thing without actual experience of the thing itself is as useless as no knowledge. 4- 26. " True experience of the Self is the unawareness of even 'I am'. Can the world persist after such unawareness? Second-hand knowledge is no better than the recollection of a dream. 5- 75-84. " 'Child, there are many who being ignorant of this sublime truth, live in a state of delusion. Dry polemics will not help one to Reality for it is well guarded on all sides. Of all the people now assembled here, no one has experienced Reality, except the king and myself. It is not a subject for discussion. The most brilliant logic can only approach it but never attain it. Although unaffected by logic coupled with a keen intellect, it can however be realised by service to one's Guru and the grace of God. 6- Such inherence is spontaneous (no effort is needed to inhere as the Self). It is realised after thoughts are eliminated and investigation ceases. Recapitulate your state after you break off from it, and then will know all and the significance of its being knowable and unknowable at the same time. Thus realising the unknowable, one abides in immortality for ever and ever. Odysseus: I will continue to read more the Tripura Rahasya. I read it with passion. It speaks of immortality, dreams, samadhis, Consciousness, the Self, God etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 ilikezen2004 wrote: > >>>Hi Odysseus, >>> >>>How are you? In your last appearances here you have spoken of > > your experience. You have placed words here about matters of the > Self. You have spoken in detail. May I ask how what you have said is > >>different than what the author of Tripura Rahasya has done or > > said? What is the difference in reading your words and the words of > that author? Are they not both words and expressions about the Self? > > Odysseus: Yes words and expression about the Self. > > Lewis: And do not your words and the words of that author resonate > in almost precisely the same melodies? > > Odysseus: Yes, almost the same. > > Dear Alexander, > > I've red the chapter XV : On what need be known and need not be > known and on the Nature of the Self. > > I am delighted to read thoses texts. So precious and so true. > > I love particularly those sentences: > > 1- 8. " I do not see how it can be realised if it surpasses > knowledge. The goal is not achieved without realising it. > > 2- 22. " This is due to the Grace of God which puts you in the right > way of investigation. Who can attain anything worthy, without divine > Grace? > > 3- 24-25. " What you have said so far is quite true; you have rightly > understood the nature of consciousness but have not realised it. A > knowledge of the property of a thing without actual experience of > the thing itself is as useless as no knowledge. > > 4- 26. " True experience of the Self is the unawareness of even 'I > am'. Can the world persist after such unawareness? Second-hand > knowledge is no better than the recollection of a dream. > > 5- 75-84. " 'Child, there are many who being ignorant of this sublime > truth, live in a state of delusion. Dry polemics will not help one > to Reality for it is well guarded on all sides. Of all the people > now assembled here, no one has experienced Reality, except the king > and myself. It is not a subject for discussion. The most brilliant > logic can only approach it but never attain it. Although unaffected > by logic coupled with a keen intellect, it can however be realised > by service to one's Guru and the grace of God. > > 6- Such inherence is spontaneous (no effort is needed to inhere as > the Self). It is realised after thoughts are eliminated and > investigation ceases. Recapitulate your state after you break off > from it, and then will know all and the significance of its being > knowable and unknowable at the same time. Thus realising the > unknowable, one abides in immortality for ever and ever. > > Odysseus: I will continue to read more the Tripura Rahasya. I read > it with passion. It speaks of immortality, dreams, samadhis, > Consciousness, the Self, God etc. Dear Odysseus, I found it useful to read from the beginning to the end. It is a scripture that describes in an orderly way the progress of jnanis towards nirvikalpa samadhi through stories and imagery, debate and teachings. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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