Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I cannot get into it because there is no inside, I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, I cannot find it because it was never lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 > I cannot get into it because there is no inside, > I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, > I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, > I cannot find it because it was never lost. Simple inability. What abilities are enabled if this is inability is? ==The ability of consciousness to act as a medium for constructing dubious stories whose purpose is to defend a superflous and inaccurate sense of self- doing and saying this and that to mask an inability to control but having the ability to parrot outcomes of research never done in the lab -abstract and debatable notions - wooly minded outcomes neither emperical nor verifiable but ever hopeful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Would the statment directly above qualify as an example of constructing the same it delineates, imaginative and dubious about another? Dubious about another what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > I cannot get into it because there is no inside, > I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, > I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, > I cannot find it because it was never lost. Simple inability. What abilities are enabled if this is inability is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , Insight <insight@s...> wrote: > > > I cannot get into it because there is no inside, > > I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, > > I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, > > I cannot find it because it was never lost. > > > Simple inability. What abilities are enabled if this is inability is? > > > > ==The ability of consciousness to act as a medium > for constructing dubious stories whose purpose > is to defend a superflous and inaccurate sense > of self- doing and saying this and that to mask > an inability to control but having the ability > to parrot outcomes of research never done in the lab > -abstract and debatable notions - > wooly minded outcomes neither emperical nor verifiable > but ever hopeful. > Would the statment directly above qualify as an example of constructing the same it delineates, imaginative and dubious about another? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 W: I cannot get into it because there is no inside, I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, I cannot find it because it was never lost. L: Simple inability. What abilities are enabled if this is inability is? J: ==The ability of consciousness to act as a medium for constructing dubious stories whose purpose is to defend a superflous and inaccurate sense of self- doing and saying this and that to mask an inability to control but having the ability to parrot outcomes of research never done in the lab -abstract and debatable notions - wooly minded outcomes neither emperical nor verifiable but ever hopeful. L: Would the statment directly above qualify as an example of constructing the same it delineates, imaginative and dubious about another? J: Dubious about another what? L: A different one. J: Is there another one? L: Yes. J: When two are reduced to one, what is one reduced to? L: I do not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > I cannot get into it because there is no inside, > I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, > I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, > I cannot find it because it was never lost. -------------- Could it be that you just don't want to accept that " this " here and now is what there is for your experience? Is all there is for your experience? Could it be an absence of acceptance that keeps you seeking for something different in the past, future? Keeps you looking to find something better, different and on and on it goes? Rather than just getting on with the experience of planet earth here and now? Making the person insist that they are " not " this and that. Oh God, there's just got to be " something " better than THIS! Nirvana take me away. ~*~ G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Hi GRB, This text I have found somehere and because I liked it I posted it. All else is speculation. Werner Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > I cannot get into it because there is no inside, > > I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, > > I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, > > I cannot find it because it was never lost. > > -------------- > > Could it be that you just don't want to accept that " this " here and > now is what there is for your experience? Is all there is for your > experience? Could it be an absence of acceptance that keeps you > seeking for something different in the past, future? Keeps you > looking to find something better, different and on and on it goes? > Rather than just getting on with the experience of planet earth here > and now? Making the person insist that they are " not " this and > that. Oh God, there's just got to be " something " better than THIS! > Nirvana take me away. > > > > ~*~ G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi GRB, > > This text I have found somehere and because I liked it I posted it. > All else is speculation. > > Werner > > > Yes, it's a fun game. I hope you didn't mind my questions. I meant no disrespect. Well, I meant no respect either but people get quite sensitive over responses so I'm trying to be careful with them. I enjoy questions. I enjoy honest opinions. All answers are fine with me -- really! They may not make any sense to me but there just fine none-the-less. What's your opinion on that text or do you have one formulated. (people may offer their honest opinons about your opinion so make sure to put on your jock cup protector.) Yes my sense of humor is silly. I enjoy humor, that too is a fun game. ~*~ G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Ok GRB, Hope you enjoy yourself, all ok with that. Enjoy your life if possible, get drunk if you feel like. Why shouldn't we ? If you feel to express your opinions then do it but also take in account the reactions To let me say something about that short I AM text I posted: That text is so simple that saying anything about it is already a unneccessary complication and so it strictly demands this advice: Sic tacuisses, philosopus mansisses. Werner Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi GRB, > > > > This text I have found somehere and because I liked it I posted > it. > > All else is speculation. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's a fun game. I hope you didn't mind my questions. I meant > no disrespect. Well, I meant no respect either but people get quite > sensitive over responses so I'm trying to be careful with them. I > enjoy questions. I enjoy honest opinions. All answers are fine > with me -- really! They may not make any sense to me but there just > fine none-the-less. > > What's your opinion on that text or do you have one formulated. > (people may offer their honest opinons about your opinion so make > sure to put on your jock cup protector.) Yes my sense of humor is > silly. I enjoy humor, that too is a fun game. > > ~*~ G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > >I cannot get into it because there is no inside, >I cannot get out of it because there is no outside, >I cannot look behind it because there is no behind, >I cannot find it because it was never lost. Hi all, when I read those lines the first time, I read them with the subject of the posting - " I AM " - in mind. In connection with " I AM " it just did not make any sense for me. Would the subject have been " it " ... we would have been at another plane. It would be a beautiful and indeed simple text about that, what some of us have called " wordless wonder " , recently. This is my opinion (and, Werner, I dont think we should take the reactions of others in account when ws speak our opinions :-)). As far as " I AM " is concerned, I just stumbled over an equaly beautiful text by Nisargadatta (although not that brief) which I am quoting below, for whoever is interested to dive into it: " This touch of 'I Amness' is in each being; this beingness has that touch of love for the Absolute, and it is a representation of the Absolute. (...) Only the Absolute prevails. The truth is total Brahman (Para Brahman) only, nothing else but Brahman. In a total Brahman state the touch of beingness, 'I Am' started, and with that, separation started, otherness has come. But this 'I Amness' is not just a small principle; that itself is the Mula- Maya, the primary illusion. (...) The great Maya principle is making you do all her tricks, and you are also abiding in what she says, and finally, that light of yours, that beingness, gets extinguished. (...) That Maya is so powerful that it gets you completely wrapped up in it. Maya means 'I Am', 'I love to be'. It has no identity except love. " That knowledge of 'I Am' is the greatest foe and the greatest friend. Although it might be your greatest enemy, if you propitiate it properly, it will turn around and lead you to the highest state. " Nisargadatta Maharaj, *Prior to Consciousness* (edited by Jean Dunn) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Dedicated to: Fuzzie-Wuz and LOTM Chapter 7 Bhagavad Gita 1 The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from doubt. 2 I shall now declare unto you in full this knowledge, both phenomenal and numinous. This being known, nothing further shall remain for you to know. 3 Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth. 4 Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego -- all together these eight constitute My separated material energies. 5 Besides these, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this material, inferior nature. 6 All created beings have their source in these two natures. Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution. 7 O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread. 8 O son of Kunti, I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man. 9 I am the original fragrance of the earth, and I am the heat in fire. I am the life of all that lives, and I am the penances of all ascetics. 10 O son of Prtha, know that I am the original seed of all existences, the intelligence of the intelligent, and the prowess of all powerful men. 11 I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna]. 12 Know that all states of being -- be they of goodness, passion or ignorance -- are manifested by My energy. I am, in one sense, everything, but I am independent. I am not under the modes of material nature, for they, on the contrary, are within Me. 13 Deluded by the three modes [goodness, passion and ignorance], the whole world does not know Me, who am above the modes and inexhaustible. 14 This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it. 15 Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. 16 O best among the Bharatas, four kinds of pious men begin to render devotional service unto Me -- the distressed, the desirer of wealth, the inquisitive, and he who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute. 17 Of these, the one who is in full knowledge and who is always engaged in pure devotional service is the best. For I am very dear to him, and he is dear to Me. 18 All these devotees are undoubtedly magnanimous souls, but he who is situated in knowledge of Me I consider to be just like My own self. Being engaged in My transcendental service, he is sure to attain Me, the highest and most perfect goal. 19 After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare. 20 Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. 21 I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity. 22 Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone. 23 Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet. 24 Unintelligent men, who do not know Me perfectly, think that I, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, was impersonal before and have now assumed this personality. Due to their small knowledge, they do not know My higher nature, which is imperishable and supreme. 25 I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am unborn and infallible. 26 O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but Me no one knows. 27 O scion of Bharata, O conqueror of the foe, all living entities are born into delusion, bewildered by dualities arisen from desire and hate. 28 Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life and whose sinful actions are completely eradicated are freed from the dualities of delusion, and they engage themselves in My service with determination. 29 Intelligent persons who are endeavoring for liberation from old age and death take refuge in Me in devotional service. They are actually Brahman because they entirely know everything about transcendental activities. 30 Those in full consciousness of Me, who know Me, the Supreme Lord, to be the governing principle of the material manifestation, of the demigods, and of all methods of sacrifice, can understand and know Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, even at the time of death. 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Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hi, Lewis: That's awesome. Whose translation is that? I AM is all there is. It's so obvious. That's why it's overlooked. It's the only thing you'll ever know. There is nothing else to know. I AM. Everything else is dependent on that. Thanks. fuzzie Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > Dedicated to: Fuzzie-Wuz and LOTM > > Chapter 7 Bhagavad Gita > > 1 > The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Now hear, O > son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full > consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can > know Me in full, free from doubt. > > 2 > I shall now declare unto you in full this knowledge, > both phenomenal and numinous. This being known, > nothing further shall remain for you to know. > > 3 > Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for > perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, > hardly one knows Me in truth. > > 4 > Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and > false ego -- all together these eight constitute My > separated material energies. > > 5 > Besides these, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is > another, superior energy of Mine, which comprises the > living entities who are exploiting the resources of > this material, inferior nature. > > 6 > All created beings have their source in these two > natures. Of all that is material and all that is > spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am > both the origin and the dissolution. > > 7 > O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to > Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on > a thread. > > 8 > O son of Kunti, I am the taste of water, the light of > the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic > mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man. > > 9 > I am the original fragrance of the earth, and I am the > heat in fire. I am the life of all that lives, and I > am the penances of all ascetics. > > 10 > O son of Prtha, know that I am the original seed of > all existences, the intelligence of the intelligent, > and the prowess of all powerful men. > > 11 > I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and > desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to > religious principles, O lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna]. > > 12 > Know that all states of being -- be they of goodness, > passion or ignorance -- are manifested by My energy. I > am, in one sense, everything, but I am independent. I > am not under the modes of material nature, for they, > on the contrary, are within Me. > > 13 > Deluded by the three modes [goodness, passion and > ignorance], the whole world does not know Me, who am > above the modes and inexhaustible. > > 14 > This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three > modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. > But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily > cross beyond it. > > 15 > Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are > lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by > illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of > demons do not surrender unto Me. > > 16 > O best among the Bharatas, four kinds of pious men > begin to render devotional service unto Me -- the > distressed, the desirer of wealth, the inquisitive, > and he who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute. > > 17 > Of these, the one who is in full knowledge and who is > always engaged in pure devotional service is the best. > For I am very dear to him, and he is dear to Me. > > 18 > All these devotees are undoubtedly magnanimous souls, > but he who is situated in knowledge of Me I consider > to be just like My own self. Being engaged in My > transcendental service, he is sure to attain Me, the > highest and most perfect goal. > > 19 > After many births and deaths, he who is actually in > knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the > cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul > is very rare. > > 20 > Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material > desires surrender unto demigods and follow the > particular rules and regulations of worship according > to their own natures. > > 21 > I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as > one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith > steady so that he can devote himself to that > particular deity. > > 22 > Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a > particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in > actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone. > > 23 > Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and > their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who > worship the demigods go to the planets of the > demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme > planet. > > 24 > Unintelligent men, who do not know Me perfectly, think > that I, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, > was impersonal before and have now assumed this > personality. Due to their small knowledge, they do not > know My higher nature, which is imperishable and > supreme. > > 25 > I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. > For them I am covered by My internal potency, and > therefore they do not know that I am unborn and > infallible. > > 26 > O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I > know everything that has happened in the past, all > that is happening in the present, and all things that > are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but > Me no one knows. > > 27 > O scion of Bharata, O conqueror of the foe, all living > entities are born into delusion, bewildered by > dualities arisen from desire and hate. > > 28 > Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and > in this life and whose sinful actions are completely > eradicated are freed from the dualities of delusion, > and they engage themselves in My service with > determination. > > 29 > Intelligent persons who are endeavoring for liberation > from old age and death take refuge in Me in devotional > service. They are actually Brahman because they > entirely know everything about transcendental > activities. > > 30 > Those in full consciousness of Me, who know Me, the > Supreme Lord, to be the governing principle of the > material manifestation, of the demigods, and of all > methods of sacrifice, can understand and know Me, the > Supreme Personality of Godhead, even at the time of > death. > > > > > > > Plan great trips with Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > http://travel./p-travelguide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 --- fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz wrote: > > > Hi, Lewis: > > That's awesome. Whose translation is that? > > I AM is all there is. It's so obvious. That's why it's overlooked. > It's the only thing you'll ever know. There is nothing else to know. > I > AM. Everything else is dependent on that. > > Thanks. > > fuzzie Dear Fuzzie, You are welcome. It is a translation done by A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. You can find the whole text here. http://www.ishwar.com/hinduism/holy_bhagavad_gita/ Lewis Make your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, Lewis: > > > > That's awesome. Whose translation is that? > > > > I AM is all there is. It's so obvious. That's why it's overlooked. > > It's the only thing you'll ever know. There is nothing else to know. > > I > > AM. Everything else is dependent on that. > > > > Thanks. > > > > fuzzie > > Dear Fuzzie, > > You are welcome. It is a translation done by A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami > Prabhupada. You can find the whole text here. > > http://www.ishwar.com/hinduism/holy_bhagavad_gita/ > > Lewis Thanks, Lewis. I bookmarked it. I read it years ago. I forgot how good it was til you posted that chapter 7. It's right on. It's saying the same thing I'm saying. Just be yourself. That's all. There's nothing to do. You are That. I AM; being-awareness. Yours, fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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