Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nothing Material, objective, or that can be perceived as partaking of individuality could be immortal because it arises co- dependently, and is, therefore, subject to change. The above, disqualifies from immortality everything we could think of. And this, of course, includes consciousness, simply because consciousness is created by living nerve cells. And yet, awareness (because this two terms are interchangeable) is conferred a sort of immortality by its generic nature. Consciousness, despite the fact, of being created only by individual organisms, remains unstained by individuality, just as electric light can't be said to belong to any single light-bulb, consciousness doesn't partake of an individual's qualities. Although, it is perishable in its personal form, it's immortal in its unsullied generality. Individuality is form, and forms are perishable, yet potentiality confers immortality on all types of forms. Potential can't be extinguished. Even if the universe were to vanish, the potential for another, exactly the same, would remain intact. And is in this way, that awareness due to his lack of individual qualities, and its eternal potential becomes immortal. And if these were not enough consider that subjective time can't exist without awareness, therefore no discernible period of unawareness could exist. A billion years and a second feel exactly the same length, no duration at all. So in conclusion, are we immortal? No, not in our individualy. But, yes, in consciousness generic purity, and endless potentiality. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Pete anounces talking about consciousness: Although, it is perishable in its personal form, it's immortal in its unsullied generality. Immortal?! You will never live time enough to know this but time enough to die. Death is the end of consciousness; there is neither a personal nor an unsullied consciousness you will be able to talk about when you are dead....nor will you be able to experience something. Death isn't " deep sleep without dreams " nor unconsciousness (of itself, too) nor samadhi nor any other kind of experience. Death is death, Pete. Telos, Schluss, finito, fin....nada. .........isn't that fantastic enough? All:One Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > Nothing Material, objective, or that can be perceived as partaking > of individuality could be immortal because it arises co- > dependently, and is, therefore, subject to change. > > The above, disqualifies from immortality everything we could think > of. And this, of course, includes consciousness, simply because > consciousness is created by living nerve cells. And yet, > awareness (because this two terms are > interchangeable) is conferred a sort of > immortality by its generic nature. > > Consciousness, despite the fact, of being created only by individual > organisms, remains > unstained by individuality, just as electric light can't be said to belong > to any single light-bulb, consciousness doesn't partake of an > individual's qualities. Although, it is perishable in its personal > form, it's immortal in its unsullied generality. > > Individuality is form, and forms are perishable, yet potentiality confers > immortality > on all types of forms. Potential can't be extinguished. Even if the > universe > were to vanish, the potential for another, exactly the same, > would remain intact. And is in this way, that awareness > due to his lack of individual qualities, and its eternal > potential becomes immortal. And if these were > not enough consider that subjective time > can't exist without awareness, therefore > no discernible period of unawareness > could exist. A billion years and a > second feel exactly the same > length, no duration at all. > > So in conclusion, are we immortal? No, not in > our individualy. But, yes, in consciousness > generic purity, and endless potentiality. > > Pete > > I suspect we are immortal both as pure awareness shared by all beings and also as unique eternal individual expressions of that awareness. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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