Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 > Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > our society has become too powerful and the root of that power is the > > possession of all land. there are ways to fix it but i don't think we'll be > > able to change this system in our lifetime.>> We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to the Indians. That'll fire a nice shot across the bow of cursed Capitalism. Let's go, fellow advaitins: Put your queer shoulders to the wheel (of Dharma)and let's reverse the tide of creeping Real Estate-ism. Power to the Non-Dualists!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Hi Gary, If you tend to take the antagonist's or revolutionary's position then let me send you a quote of J.K.: " The revolutionaries from today are the bourgeois of tomorrow " Werner Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > our society has become too powerful and the root of that power is > the > > > possession of all land. there are ways to fix it but i don't > think we'll be > > > able to change this system in our lifetime.>> > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > the Indians. That'll fire a nice shot across the bow of cursed > Capitalism. Let's go, fellow advaitins: Put your queer shoulders to > the wheel (of Dharma)and let's reverse the tide of creeping Real > Estate-ism. > > Power to the Non-Dualists!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > our society has become too powerful and the root of that power is > the > > > possession of all land. there are ways to fix it but i don't > think we'll be > > > able to change this system in our lifetime.>> > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > the Indians. it is about fixing the future for our children. the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemant bhai " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > our society has become too powerful and the root of that power is > > the > > > > possession of all land. there are ways to fix it but i don't > > think we'll be > > > > able to change this system in our lifetime.>> > > > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > > the Indians. > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered dream. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > > > the Indians. > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered dream. > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > > > > the Indians. > > > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > > > > Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered dream. > > > > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help > because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions > which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. It is the attempt to escape fear...that creates it. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > >Gary: We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > > > > > the Indians. > > > > > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > > T: Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered dream. >>> > > > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. > > > > T: It is the attempt to escape fear...that creates it. > > > G: Is it the attempt to escape fear or the attempt to escape common sense. If common sense was used fear would be greatly minimized. The whole dream is survival based to a point. The instinct to procreate and live is basic survival. That it is egoic based is obvious in most cases but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason or purpose in it. Experience is one of the greatest purposes around and everyone is doing it. An attempt to escape fear/change experience doesn't not necessarily create more fear. Sometimes it produces peace too. It depends on the method used and the level of common sense used. Dream, fear and escape could just be a different way of saying: I will wake up tomorrow and would rather experience it free from fear therefore I will let go of/change the thing that is producing/creating that fearful experience. Afterall, most people still want to wake up tomorrow and continue the dream; they just don't want to wake up to a chaotic condition and don't know how to choose it any differently. example: For millenia people have solved their fears and hopes through warfare. Has this changed any today? They want peace and fair play but don't know how to escape fear or make changes any differently then they did 5,000 yrs ago -- their just doing with nuclear warfare rather than with bows and arrows. How do you escape the fear cycle that creates it? Change the choices that create it otherwise you wake up each day with the same ole' same ole' or slightly different variations of the same ole. But, that takes common sense - nothing to do with fear. Fear is in large supply while common sense is at a premium. If you do want to survive on this planet, in this dream as you call it, (whether it's a dream or not is irrelevent) you may want to institute changes or there simply won't be a dream planet to wake up on or dream people to do the waking up. In this case common sense has taken the back seat to fear and methods of implemtation for change are neanderthal and lacking. I say it's an attempt to escape *common sense* that creates it (fear/chaos). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gary: We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back > Manhattan to > > > > > > the Indians. > > > > > > > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > > > > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > > > > > T: Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered > dream. > >>> > > > > > > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help > because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions > which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. > > > > > > > > T: It is the attempt to escape fear...that creates it. > > > > > > > > > G: Is it the attempt to escape fear or the attempt to escape common > sense. If common sense was used fear would be greatly minimized. > The whole dream is survival based to a point. The instinct to > procreate and live is basic survival. That it is egoic based is > obvious in most cases but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason or > purpose in it. Experience is one of the greatest purposes around > and everyone is doing it. An attempt to escape fear/change > experience doesn't not necessarily create more fear. Sometimes it > produces peace too. It depends on the method used and the level of > common sense used. > > Dream, fear and escape could just be a different way of saying: > I will wake up tomorrow and would rather experience it free from > fear therefore I will let go of/change the thing that is > producing/creating that fearful experience. Afterall, most people > still want to wake up tomorrow and continue the dream; they just > don't want to wake up to a chaotic condition and don't know how to > choose it any differently. example: For millenia people have > solved their fears and hopes through warfare. Has this changed any > today? > They want peace and fair play but don't know how to escape fear or > make changes any differently then they did 5,000 yrs ago -- their > just doing with nuclear warfare rather than with bows and arrows. > > How do you escape the fear cycle that creates it? Change the > choices that create it otherwise you wake up each day with the same > ole' same ole' or slightly different variations of the same ole. > But, that takes common sense - nothing to do with fear. Fear is in > large supply while common sense is at a premium. If you do want > to survive on this planet, in this dream as you call it, (whether > it's a dream or not is irrelevent) you may want to institute changes > or there simply won't be a dream planet to wake up on or dream > people to do the waking up. In this case common sense has taken the > back seat to fear and methods of implemtation for change are > neanderthal and lacking. I say it's an attempt to escape *common > sense* that creates it (fear/chaos). Well.......as Dr. Phil says: " How's that workin for ya " ? : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back Manhattan to > > > > > the Indians. > > > > > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > > > > > > > Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered dream. > > > > > > > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help > > because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions > > which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. > > > > It is the attempt to escape fear...that creates it. > is there any role for compassion, love and spontaneity in your dream-universe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gary: We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back > > Manhattan to > > > > > > > the Indians. > > > > > > > > > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > > > > > > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > > > > > > > > T: Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered > > dream. > > >>> > > > > > > > > > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help > > because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions > > which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > T: It is the attempt to escape fear...that creates it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G: Is it the attempt to escape fear or the attempt to escape common > > sense. If common sense was used fear would be greatly minimized. > > The whole dream is survival based to a point. The instinct to > > procreate and live is basic survival. That it is egoic based is > > obvious in most cases but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason or > > purpose in it. Experience is one of the greatest purposes around > > and everyone is doing it. An attempt to escape fear/change > > experience doesn't not necessarily create more fear. Sometimes it > > produces peace too. It depends on the method used and the level of > > common sense used. > > > > Dream, fear and escape could just be a different way of saying: > > I will wake up tomorrow and would rather experience it free from > > fear therefore I will let go of/change the thing that is > > producing/creating that fearful experience. Afterall, most people > > still want to wake up tomorrow and continue the dream; they just > > don't want to wake up to a chaotic condition and don't know how to > > choose it any differently. example: For millenia people have > > solved their fears and hopes through warfare. Has this changed any > > today? > > They want peace and fair play but don't know how to escape fear or > > make changes any differently then they did 5,000 yrs ago -- their > > just doing with nuclear warfare rather than with bows and arrows. > > > > How do you escape the fear cycle that creates it? Change the > > choices that create it otherwise you wake up each day with the same > > ole' same ole' or slightly different variations of the same ole. > > But, that takes common sense - nothing to do with fear. Fear is in > > large supply while common sense is at a premium. If you do want > > to survive on this planet, in this dream as you call it, (whether > > it's a dream or not is irrelevent) you may want to institute changes > > or there simply won't be a dream planet to wake up on or dream > > people to do the waking up. In this case common sense has taken the > > back seat to fear and methods of implemtation for change are > > neanderthal and lacking. I say it's an attempt to escape *common > > sense* that creates it (fear/chaos). > > > > > > T: Well.......as Dr. Phil says: > > > " How's that workin for ya " ? > > > : G: It's working much better than the alternative. Less victim/prisoner/helpless/hopeless seeker type of thing. I seem to be a minority with this alternative however. How about you? Is non- duality your preferance of escapism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can do it if we try. First, I propose giving back > Manhattan to > > > > > > the Indians. > > > > > > > > > > it is about fixing the future for our children. > > > > > > > > > > the past cannot be fixed as it cannot be changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another survival-biased ......egoic fear based ........fevered > dream. > > > > > > > > > > even if it is a dream, out of our free will and compassion help > > > because.... there is no because.... in this case creating conditions > > > which help reduce fear and insecurity - which feed the dream. > > > > > > > > It is the attempt to escape fear...that creates it. > > > is there any role for compassion, love and spontaneity in your > dream-universe? They are merely names that the characters invent in a futile attempt to define their and comfort the illusory self. Compassion and love for what? The imagined other? Spontaniety?.......Practiced by whom.... What is " spontaniety? You ask me if there is a role it plays in " my dream " .......... Tell what it is......and I will do my best to answer your question. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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