Info for Richard/Absolute

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Hi Richard,

 

Found a site that might shed some light -

scroll down

 

Joyce

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Hi Greg,

 

 

==Greg: For Nisargadatta in the translations I've seen, the " absolute " is

anterior to " consciousness. " They aren't the same thing. He uses the

term " consciousness " similarly to how orthodox advaita uses the term

" jagrat avastha " or waking state. The waking state is itself an

object, and isn't synonymous with the Absolute. After all, there are

the dream state and deep sleep states as welll.

 

And behind/beyond all these states is THAT which is anterior to them.

THAT which is there when they are not, when universes are absent -

from which they come. THAT is for Nisargadatta the Absolute.

Orthodox advaita calls it Nirguna Brahman. Others call it

consciousness at rest or objectless consciousness, or " consciousness

shining in its own glory " (Atmananda).

 

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==Joyce: After initial mind-stopping total mystification

mind managed to get in gear again following up on your tips.

Chooo Chooo, climb onto that passing train of thought.

 

Hitting Sri Google I've found something quite comprehensible:

 

 

" What makes Nisargadatta so great is his fabulous ability to

show that everything that was asked of him was made up of concepts,

and to annihilate these concepts by exposing their uselessness " .

 

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" Unfortunately [this] resulted in a lot of seekers that have

caught a glimpse already of who they really are, to continue

their search, because of the message 'you are the Absolute'. They

assiduously claim that they 'know consciousness already' but they

also express frustration that they have failed to take 'the next step'.

I dare to say here: there IS no next step.

 

It is all about going to the limit of what can be experienced, and

to remain there. One should not be led astray by any comment on the

Absolute and be lured in search of it " .

 

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" He considered this concept, 'I Am-ness, as something to be

digested, swallowed, dissolved. And so he described it as the

'ultimate medicine'. It's true he called it 'the disease itself'

at least as often, or even, 'itself a misery', but in the same

respect he indicated in many places the very same concept is

exactly the medicine, and is the indicator to freedom. So again

we are faced here with a paradox, something being a diseaese

yet in its essential nature is the medicine itself. "

 

Nicely homeopathic.Then the author of this commentary gives

what he says is for him a quote that holds the whole key to this

paradox. But if I quote his quote Greg will be unhappy.

 

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Very good for novices like myself especially anyone who

prefers the practical over the abstract. This is Part Two

of two bits - haven't found Part One yet since typically

I'm working backwards.

 

http://www.advaya.nl/eng_article_2.htm

 

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==Greg: And other paths don't even have such a notion!

 

 

==Joyce: You will find disagreement with this at:

 

http://www.dharmafellowship.org/cukoo_of_awareness.htm

 

check out page 16 of the 20 pages-

 

(I dare not quote and cause unhappiness ;-)

 

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But on the other hand - a refutation - from the little

I to the Big I to no I by Master Sheng-yen. Of interest only

to soteriologists.

 

http:/www.buddhistinformation.com/what_is_ch'an.htm

 

 

Metta and thanks again,

 

 

Joyce

 

P.S. most sorry if I've screwed up the sites

per usual. But when the parade of non-working

Joyce-urls pass by there's usually someone to

clean up the mess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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> " He considered this concept, 'I Am-ness, as something to be

> digested, swallowed, dissolved. And so he described it as the

> 'ultimate medicine'. It's true he called it 'the disease itself'

> at least as often, or even, 'itself a misery', but in the same

> respect he indicated in many places the very same concept is

> exactly the medicine, and is the indicator to freedom. So again

> we are faced here with a paradox, something being a diseaese

> yet in its essential nature is the medicine itself. "

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The door into the dream....is the door out.

 

 

 

t.

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> The door into the dream....is the door out.

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> t.

 

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Odysseus: There is no way out!!! Never been, never will.