Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Andrew's website gives new meaning to the phrase, " eff you " . Deep gratitude to both Lewis and Richard for bringing, what is for me, the Final Website, to our attention. Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- Richard <richarkar> wrote: > > > > Howdy Friends, > > > > Andrew Vernon has a website pertaining to > > Nisargadatta's co-disciple and also their teacher. > > He says, The final understanding is final because it > > is the understanding that there is nothing that > > needs to be understood. The goal is to realize the > > Self, not to understand any particular concept. > > > > Peace, > > Richard > > For those interested in quotes by the Masters in the > Navnath Sampradaya lineage and succinct elucidations > by Andrew Vernon, Self-realized in July, 2002, click > the following link. > > http://www.wayofthebird.com/ > > Lewis > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Richard <richarkar> wrote: > > Howdy Friends, > > > > Andrew Vernon has a website pertaining to Nisargadatta's co- disciple and also their teacher. He says, The final understanding is final because it is the understanding that there is nothing that needs to be understood. The goal is to realize the Self, not to understand any particular concept. > > > > Peace, > > Richard > > > > > > > The imaginary world of " goals " ...(with its assumption of volitional action)....realization of Self...(with its implicit separation).... " nothing to be understood " ....(with rests on the belief of one who can understand)...are all only more...sophomoric conceptual flounderings. > > > just...another dead end.....in the fevered dream. > > > > > toombaru devi: toomy, i can remember when i was separated from the Self and i can remember when the Self became obvious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Richard <richarkar> wrote: > > Howdy Friends, > > > > Andrew Vernon has a website pertaining to Nisargadatta's co- disciple > and also their teacher. He says, The final understanding is final > because it is the understanding that there is nothing that needs to be > understood. The goal is to realize the Self, not to understand any > particular concept. > > > > Peace, > > Richard > > > > So the final understanding is that there is no final understanding? I > am confused. What's the purpose of such understanding? > > /AL devi: meher baba says there are 5 different kinds of knowledge.. the 4th is complete Self-knowledge the 5th is have complete knowledge of the world and God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > Andrew's website gives new meaning to the phrase, " eff you " . > > Deep gratitude to both Lewis and Richard for bringing, what is for > me, the Final Website, to our attention. devi: your funny....its been rare for me, around these clubs to find people with good senses of humor..care to share some information about yourself? > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > --- Richard <richarkar> wrote: > > > > > > Howdy Friends, > > > > > > Andrew Vernon has a website pertaining to > > > Nisargadatta's co-disciple and also their teacher. > > > He says, The final understanding is final because it > > > is the understanding that there is nothing that > > > needs to be understood. The goal is to realize the > > > Self, not to understand any particular concept. > > > > > > Peace, > > > Richard > > > > For those interested in quotes by the Masters in the > > Navnath Sampradaya lineage and succinct elucidations > > by Andrew Vernon, Self-realized in July, 2002, click > > the following link. > > > > http://www.wayofthebird.com/ > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 > > > > devi: toomy, i can remember when i was separated from the Self and i > > can remember when the Self became obvious... > > > Devi........that " remembering " ....is part of the dream. > > > The dream includes the belief that there is something outside of the dream. > > > > > toombaru devi: yes of course, the remembering is a part of the dream, but this part of the dream is remembering the Real and never being separated from it again... from my point of view that the dream seems it is inside but ultimately there is no inside or outside.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > devi: toomy, i can remember when i was separated from the Self > and i > > > can remember when the Self became obvious... > > > > > > Devi........that " remembering " ....is part of the dream. > > > > > > The dream includes the belief that there is something outside of > the dream. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > devi: yes of course, the remembering is a part of the dream, but this > part of the dream is remembering the Real and never being separated > from it again... .....another part of the dream. Devi.....there is nothing ...outside of the dream. t. > > from my point of view that the dream seems it is inside but > ultimately there is no inside or outside.. You can never trust the way things " seem " to be. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 > > > > > You can never trust the way things " seem " to be. > > > > t. devi: there is the Self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can never trust the way things " seem " to be. > > > > > > > > t. > > devi: there is the Self The " Self " is downstream from the self. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 > > > > devi: there is the Self > > > > The " Self " is downstream from the self. > > > > t. devi: i never heard *the *Self* is downstream..from the self.* care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > devi: there is the Self > > > > > > > > The " Self " is downstream from the self. > > > > > > > > t. > > devi: i never heard *the *Self* is downstream..from the self.* > > > care to elaborate? " Self " is an idealized super-self that emerges from within the I-amness. I'm sorry to tell you....there simply is no Self. It's just a new agey term for God. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 > > > >devi: i never heard *the *Self* is downstream..from the self.* > > > > >> care to elaborate? > " Self " is an idealized super-self that emerges from within the I-amness. >I'm sorry to tell you....there simply is no Self. >It's just a new agey term for God. just your opinions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > devi: there is the Self > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Self " is downstream from the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > devi: i never heard *the *Self* is downstream..from the self.* > > > > > > care to elaborate? > > > > > toomy: " Self " is an idealized super-self that emerges from within the I-amness. > > > I'm sorry to tell you....there simply is no Self. > > > It's just a new agey term for God. > > > toombaru devi: the I Am-ness is the first manifestion of the Self..... another way of saying this is that before I AM there is the Self or the Supreme or God or Allah or what ever you call it... your sorry to say you haven't realized the Self may be a beter way to put it...i am sorry to say..smiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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