Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/12/05 5:37:32 AM, s.petersilge@c... writes: > > > > >The claim that one can be logical about things spiritual is > > >delusional. > > > > Absolutely is logic applyable to spirituality (whatever that is)! In > > fact it is the most " spiritual " thinking system that I have ever come > > across. Commonly logic is often confused with rationalism. But > > rationalism is avoiding paradox, whereas logic is pointing to the > > paradox nature of everything. > > > > It is amazing how logic, invented by Greek philosophers 2500 years > > ago, is still rudimentary to our arguing and thinking, although most > > have knowledge next to nothing about it. Historically logic thinking > > is most probably influenced by vedantic thinking. The originators of > > logic have used it to prove thesis like: nothing is knowable. Or: no > > real existence can be proved. Or: Everything that we perceive must be > > delusional. Logic was meant as a tool to teach people true > > understanding by persistent use of their own minds. " Their owm minds " is a good example of the nature of the " problem " Once autonomy is assumed as a given.....everything downstream from that is illogical. Because logic can be applied to physicality (building buidges etc) mind attempts to apply logic to concepts that exist only as mental constructs. (self...god....religion etc) No wonder it gets a little confused and frightened. > > > > It is also wonderful and amazing to watch how Nisargadatta and others > > have used logic to point to the unspeakable. > > > > So, this was my lecture for today, it cannot be harmful. But what I > > really wanted to express is my opinion: lets not be affraid of logical > > thinking! It can be a sharp, sharp sword to cut the ropes that are > > keeping us from freedom. Oh god......You think that you are in prison.....don't you? > > > > Om Shanti > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > P: Good post! > No...it is just another scrambling attempt to salvage a self image that has ventured a little too close to the edge. You think that it is " good! " ... simply because it seems to agree with the self induced trance that you are. toombaru > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: me: >it (logic) can be a sharp, sharp sword to cut the ropes that are >> keeping us from freedom. too.: >Oh god......You think that you are in prison.....don't you? Well, see, as long as you are still fighting against things like " logic " you are a slave, as in this case of... logic. You can see it happening here all the time. Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > me: > >it (logic) can be a sharp, sharp sword to cut the ropes that are > >> keeping us from freedom. > > too.: > >Oh god......You think that you are in prison.....don't you? > > Well, see, as long as you are still fighting against things like > " logic " you are a slave, as in this case of... logic. You can see it > happening here all the time. > > Greetings > Stefan The " you " is the prison. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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