Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Woody also said, " I'm not afraid of dying. I just don't want to be there when it happens. " (Woody, of course, meant " when it (death) APPEARS to happen, " ) Looked at in the Light of Ramana's death bed remark to his sorrowful disciples,(paraphrasing) " You're worried that I'll leave you? Where do think I'd go? " , we can infer that Woody's Realization was not quite complete at that point. Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/11/05 10:07:21 PM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > P: Nah! He just doesn't understand logic. > > > > > > > > > > > T: The attempt to apply logic to an illogical assumption......is insanity. > > > P: Another nonsense masterpiece! You have made nonsense > your art form! Illogical situations and statements are what logic > was designed to unmask. Your statement makes as much sense, > as saying: To use medicine on sick people is insanity. Maybe a > little humor is called for here. You should use Woody's famous > retort. When someone pointed out he was talking nonsense, he > asked in total amazement, " You mean to tell me, my whole > fallacy is wrong? " > > > > T: The claim that one can be logical about things spiritual is delusional. > > > P: Toom, you are not even clear about what discipline your statements > fall under. To say: " Everything is a dream " is not a spiritual > statement, > it's a philosophical one, it's a view of the world. With 'everything' as > a qualifier you are not talking only about souls, and gods, but also about > your loved ones, and .... hamburgers. > > > > > > T: Under all that dirt......what was the real color of Cinderella's dress? > > well.............Cinderella's dress wasn't real......and speculating about > > its real color....although interesting...can lead to nothing of value. > > > P: When you state: " Everything is a dream, " Cinderella's dress > becomes as real as your love > for your wife. > > > > T: In saying that toombaru has absolutely no idea what color Cinderella's > > dress really is.....Pete is claiming that he does. > > > P: What you have no idea of, is that terms like real and dream, if used in > an absolute sense, > have no meaning whatsoever. That everything could be a dream or not, > doesn't change > a damn thing about pain and pleasure, suffering and joy, and life and death. > As Woody said, > " You can question reality all you want, but it's the only place you can get a > decent meal. " > > > > T:So......Pete.......what is the color of Cinderella's dress? > > > We can " a-dress " that with poetry better than logic, as > I did sometime ago with this poem: > > Emptiness dreaming stuff, > Stuff dreaming emptiness. > And in the belly of the dream, > a dream dreams: " I'm awake. " > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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