Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 In a message dated 3/16/05 6:27:55 PM, cptc writes: > Oh....ok........let's change the present....yeah...change the present into > something more > beneficial. > > It's soooooo simple.......We're gonna change the present into something that > it already > isn't...... > > > I'm changin it......I can feel it changing......yup...I think i did > it........ > > > toombaru > > > > > > P: Now that's funny. I'm laughing inside my present box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. > Big W, leave AL alone! Can't you see, he's just adorable and sweet and harmless. ;-) ~freyja > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. Haha. That would be cheating, and probably would not make a lasting ability to alter one's thoughts. /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. > > > > Big W, leave AL alone! > Can't you see, he's > just adorable and sweet > and harmless. ;-) > > ~freyja He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his proposition. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. > > > > > > > Big W, leave AL alone! > > Can't you see, he's > > just adorable and sweet > > and harmless. ;-) > > > > ~freyja > > > He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his proposition. > > > > toombaru Why pick on HIS proposition? From here, I both agree and don't agree with everything I read here. ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Yes freyja, I know this since longer and in addition he has much humour. We all have friendly feelings for him. He is a good boy. For me he is like a little bird still enclosed in its eggshell and everytime he is posting then for me it is kind of promise that it could be the beginning of the fledling's breakthrough. And so I sometime do knock a little bit against the eggshell. It is so cute ... But perhaps you are right and I should be patient and stop that knocking and wait til the birdy find its way out without any backing. Werner Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. > > > > Big W, leave AL alone! > Can't you see, he's > just adorable and sweet > and harmless. ;-) > > ~freyja > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 What if it is already out, Werner? Flying in the blue sky and coming down to knock on... your... and my... and all our cute little eggshells? All the best, and dont get angry, pleeease :-))) Stefan Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Yes freyja, > > I know this since longer and in addition he has much humour. We all > have friendly feelings for him. He is a good boy. For me he is like a > little bird still enclosed in its eggshell and everytime he is > posting then for me it is kind of promise that it could be the > beginning of the fledling's breakthrough. And so I sometime do knock > a little bit against the eggshell. It is so cute ... > > But perhaps you are right and I should be patient and stop that > knocking and wait til the birdy find its way out without any backing. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders. > > > > > > > Big W, leave AL alone! > > Can't you see, he's > > just adorable and sweet > > and harmless. ;-) > > > > ~freyja > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in > differently. )))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future. If we could change the future we would be able to change our thoughts. If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined. If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined. If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future. If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our thoughts. If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: >He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his proposition. so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future. > > If we could change the future we would be able to change our thoughts. > > If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined. > > If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined. > > If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future. > > If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our thoughts. > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future. It there were a we.....we might be able to do all of that.................and more! toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > >He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his > proposition. > > so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm. > > S. Fuel for the suffering. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. )))) > > > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future. > > > > If we could change the future we would be able to change our thoughts. > > > > If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined. > > > > If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined. > > > > If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future. > > > > If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our thoughts. > > > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future. > > > > > > It there were a we.....we might be able to do all of that.................and more! I wonder what you mean, we would be able to do what? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Me: >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm. You: >Fuel for the suffering. Me: In Toombarus language I would say: only if there would be suffering it could be fueld... S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. > )))) > > > > > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the > future. > > > > > > If we could change the future we would be able to change our > thoughts. > > > > > > If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined. > > > > > > If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined. > > > > > > If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future. > > > > > > If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our > thoughts. > > > > > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > It there were a we.....we might be able to do all of > that.................and more! > > I wonder what you mean, we would be able to do what? > > S. You start off with this " we " thing as a given,....and then speculate about the powers that it has to influence its assumed personal reality... You talk of it as if it were real. You speak of something called " thoughts' as they were tangible objects, You talk of the " future " as it it were a reality.....somehow opposed to the " now " . You combine these concepts...... and more.....into a speculation that meaningless. Ultimately there is no harm in doing so.. this supposed " you " has no choice.......and... ...........It will continue this dream state ....floundering...........until it doesn't. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Me: > >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm. > > You: > >Fuel for the suffering. > > Me: > > In Toombarus language I would say: > > only if there would be suffering it could be fueld... > > S. Identification is suffering. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > >You start off with this " we " thing as a given,....and then speculate >about the powers that it has to influence its assumed personal >reality... No no, I would advice you to reread my posting. I said " If we " and the " If we " ended up in a loop. >You talk of it as if it were real. Me? No way. Explicitly not. >You speak of something called " thoughts' as they were tangible >objects, >You talk of the " future " as it it were a reality.....somehow opposed to the " now " . >You combine these concepts...... and more.....into a speculation that meaningless. Here you finally got the point. I have showed how meaningless such speculation is. I have showed it because this was also the message I have got from Anders beautiful posting. The funny thing is your reactions: some still inevitably become entangled in predictable speculations when speculation itself is questioned with a twinkling of both eyes. >Ultimately there is no harm in doing so.. this supposed " you " has no choice.......and... > ..........It will continue this dream state .....floundering...........until it doesn't. See, YOU are the one who brought the " harm " thing in here and I wonder WHY you are so much concerned about WHAT all the time. What happened to " all is laughing " ? Already forgotten? Thats why I have asked. Some eggshells are hard like stones tonight. So hard that even all those smileys cannot get through. And so easily loughter can change into tears. How good that every moment is new. Om shanti, om shanti, om shanti the sky is open, the stars and the silver moon are floating through my heart... no " if " no " we " anymore, I will stop it right now, promised. Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Me: > > >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm. > > > > You: > > >Fuel for the suffering. > > > > Me: > > > > In Toombarus language I would say: > > > > only if there would be suffering it could be fueld... > > > > S. > > > Identification is suffering. Do you still believe in some entity that could commit an act like " identification " ? Then think about it. There is no suffering and there is no harmfulness. Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Stefan <s.petersilge wrote: Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Me: > > >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm. > > > > You: > > >Fuel for the suffering. > > > > Me: > > > > In Toombarus language I would say: > > > > only if there would be suffering it could be fueld... > > > > S. > > > Identification is suffering. Do you still believe in some entity that could commit an act like " identification " ? Then think about it. There is no suffering and there is no harmfulness. Greetings Stefan Who is it you are asking to think about it? r. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Yes freyja, > > > > I know this since longer and in addition he has much humour. We all > > have friendly feelings for him. He is a good boy. For me he is like > a > > little bird still enclosed in its eggshell and everytime he is > > posting then for me it is kind of promise that it could be the > > beginning of the fledling's breakthrough. And so I sometime do > knock > > a little bit against the eggshell. It is so cute ... > > > > But perhaps you are right and I should be patient and stop that > > knocking and wait til the birdy find its way out without any > backing. > > > > Werner > > > > No, I think there is nothing wrong with your > knocking, Werner, I was not telling you what > to do, > and a great mind you have, it is no intention > of mine to put a clamp on your expression to > anyone.. > I was just having a protective mother moment, > because AL seems to get picked on a lot. > I do not think he minds much though, in fact, > most likely welcomes it. All of it serves, > I would say. > > ~freyja > > G.R.R.: I heard that birds need to peck there way through the shell for that is how they develop their body strength. If you break it for them they may die from underdeveloped muscles. Nature teaches if we pay attention. It's also another bird trait of the strongest surviving and therefore the weakest of the group get pecked on by other birds and animals. It either makes them strong or kills them. It's the natural selection survival of the fittest animal instinct and humans are animals, albeit the top of the food chain. Al mirrors the game we all play but mirrors it on a different level which makes it difficult for one to identify. If there was nothing to identify then there would be no game, no planet earth on which to play --> end game. Once understanding this identifying takes on a different angle. Learning takes on a different angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. )))) G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what you're smokin. (smile) To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move them away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or it's capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But, Al, you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And then they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions about reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk, in the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose --> that's how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all think the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the pounding question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't that why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self- realization, and enlightened? They want to master their experience. The situation is that you've put out so much intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a diamond, so people pass over the diamond responding in habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. )))) > > G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what > you're smokin. (smile) > To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far > more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is > real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move them > away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so > Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or it's > capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But, Al, > you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And then > they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions about > reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of > experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think > and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless > role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk, in > the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd > rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose --> that's > how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all think > the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion > otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the pounding > question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't that > why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self- > realization, and enlightened? They want to master their > experience. The situation is that you've put out so much > intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth > behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more > of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a diamond, > so people pass over the diamond responding in habit. GRR: well, actually you're not really changing the future, you're changing the present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " > <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. )))) > > > > G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what > > you're smokin. (smile) > > To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far > > more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is > > real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move > them > > away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so > > Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or > it's > > capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But, > Al, > > you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And > then > > they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions > about > > reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of > > experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think > > and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless > > role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk, > in > > the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd > > rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose --> > that's > > how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all > think > > the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion > > otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the > pounding > > question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't > that > > why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self- > > realization, and enlightened? They want to master their > > experience. The situation is that you've put out so much > > intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth > > behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more > > of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a > diamond, > > so people pass over the diamond responding in habit. > > GRR: well, actually you're not really changing the future, you're > changing the present. GRR: And it can be done. It's done all the time. You're a living testament of the experience irregardless of weather it's an illusion or a non-illusion. Experience doesn't ask if it's illusion or non- illusion. It just experiences, which is why you're here experiencing this dual/non-dual/duel experience. More often this change/choice/experience is done subconsciously rather than consciously, but then that's another topic that has been discussed - conscious vs unconscious. And for those who get hung up on the endless debate of weather or not the experience is " real " are so focused on that they forget that they are having a very interesting experience in the present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. )))) > > G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what > you're smokin. (smile) > To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far > more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is > real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move them > away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so > Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or it's > capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But, Al, > you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And then > they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions about > reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of > experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think > and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless > role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk, in > the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd > rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose --> that's > how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all think > the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion > otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the pounding > question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't that > why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self- > realization, and enlightened? They want to master their > experience. The situation is that you've put out so much > intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth > behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more > of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a diamond, > so people pass over the diamond responding in habit. Well..If it's sooooo simple....Why don't you just do it? Just change your future....change it for the better...Yeah....that's a good idea. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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