Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 In a message dated 3/20/05 2:05:54 PM, mybox234 writes: > Humans have become thoroughly and completely seduced by their > language, and that seduction - by a " beast " which did not even need > to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them at will - has > caused and does continue to cause all the confusion that runs rampant > on this planet today, yesterday, and the day before that...while they > remain totally oblivious. > > Humans are like, oh I don't know, monkeys that woke up one morning > and opened their mouths to welcome the morning with their hoots and > whistles and yowls and calls, and suddenly discovered they had a new > voice - to them both sweet sounding yet shudderingly scary - as they > knew not from where it emerged. > > After a short while, minutes perhaps, maybe as much as an hour or > two, it became quite clear - at least to a few of them - that the new > voice was coming from inside their own heads, and that shocking > realization engendered a sense of " love " , also quite new to them, as > well as it's counterpart, " fear/hate " , each of which terms had yet to > be discerned as distinct from the general background noise their new > voice had now become. > > As the process now developing between their ears became more and more > efficient, many more words - and their attendant feelings - arose in > these previously dumb beasts, and they were now able to share the > results of this mental/emotional activity with their group. > > Within a very short time, all the concepts their species were even > capable of hearing in their heads, were heard, shared, and - after > the day's work of gathering food, eating it, fucking each other > whenever possible, and sleeping were not taking center stage - > discussed. > > Since then, even until the present day, the thoughts in their heads - > older than any of them could possibly imagine - continue to amaze, > and confuse them, being as they are more wonderful than any sexual > partner, right up there with food, rest, and fucking. Talk is now, > and has been for thousands of years, the fourth S (along with > sustenance, shelter, and sex), speech. > > Humans - those talking apes in this factual story (like it or not, > argue with it or not, agree/disagree with it or not) - owe their > general state of mass confusion and mass delusion, to their being so > enamored of, and distracted by the language (the words, the ideas, > the concepts), that it blinds them to what is actually going on - how > it happened, how it's still happening - and it will continue to blind > them because there is almost no possible way to get free from their > " beloved " short of an intentional prefrontal lobotomy. This > meta-whore, language - again, who no longer even needs to seduce > them, being perfectly able to fuck them AT WILL - is paid, and must > be paid, in blood. > > > > > P: Good story, Bob. Nice allegories, it could be a good bed story for seven+ kids, if edited for F words. And this is not a put down. The need is there to teach kids this stuff early. Language gone wrong has become more than a beast, it's a prison, a hall of mirrors which mimics reality. More than that, we have become language, we argue, fight and kill over memes that use us to survive. Even people who know this, and preach against it might still be trick into doing it in an ineffectual way. For example, abusing the user of improper language, rather than the language itself. Could this recent mock fight we enjoyed had been subconsciously provoked to sabotage " our mission? " Just a little humor about the mission part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Humans have become thoroughly and completely seduced by their language, and that seduction - by a " beast " which did not even need to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them at will - has caused and does continue to cause all the confusion that runs rampant on this planet today, yesterday, and the day before that...while they remain totally oblivious. Humans are like, oh I don't know, monkeys that woke up one morning and opened their mouths to welcome the morning with their hoots and whistles and yowls and calls, and suddenly discovered they had a new voice - to them both sweet sounding yet shudderingly scary - as they knew not from where it emerged. After a short while, minutes perhaps, maybe as much as an hour or two, it became quite clear - at least to a few of them - that the new voice was coming from inside their own heads, and that shocking realization engendered a sense of " love " , also quite new to them, as well as it's counterpart, " fear/hate " , each of which terms had yet to be discerned as distinct from the general background noise their new voice had now become. As the process now developing between their ears became more and more efficient, many more words - and their attendant feelings - arose in these previously dumb beasts, and they were now able to share the results of this mental/emotional activity with their group. Within a very short time, all the concepts their species were even capable of hearing in their heads, were heard, shared, and - after the day's work of gathering food, eating it, fucking each other whenever possible, and sleeping were not taking center stage - discussed. Since then, even until the present day, the thoughts in their heads - older than any of them could possibly imagine - continue to amaze, and confuse them, being as they are more wonderful than any sexual partner, right up there with food, rest, and fucking. Talk is now, and has been for thousands of years, the fourth S (along with sustenance, shelter, and sex), speech. Humans - those talking apes in this factual story (like it or not, argue with it or not, agree/disagree with it or not) - owe their general state of mass confusion and mass delusion, to their being so enamored of, and distracted by the language (the words, the ideas, the concepts), that it blinds them to what is actually going on - how it happened, how it's still happening - and it will continue to blind them because there is almost no possible way to get free from their " beloved " short of an intentional prefrontal lobotomy. This meta-whore, language - again, who no longer even needs to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them AT WILL - is paid, and must be paid, in blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Humans have become thoroughly and completely seduced by their > language, and that seduction - by a " beast " which did not even need > to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them at will - has > caused and does continue to cause all the confusion that runs rampant > on this planet today, yesterday, and the day before that...while they > remain totally oblivious. > So.......If what you say is true......then all of what your said emerges from confusion. > Humans are like, oh I don't know, monkeys that woke up one morning > and opened their mouths to welcome the morning with their hoots and > whistles and yowls and calls, and suddenly discovered they had a new > voice - to them both sweet sounding yet shudderingly scary - as they > knew not from where it emerged. > > After a short while, minutes perhaps, maybe as much as an hour or > two, it became quite clear - at least to a few of them - that the new > voice was coming from inside their own heads, and that shocking > realization engendered a sense of " love " , also quite new to them, as > well as it's counterpart, " fear/hate " , each of which terms had yet to > be discerned as distinct from the general background noise their new > voice had now become. > > As the process now developing between their ears became more and more > efficient, many more words - and their attendant feelings - arose in > these previously dumb beasts, and they were now able to share the > results of this mental/emotional activity with their group. > > Within a very short time, all the concepts their species were even > capable of hearing in their heads, were heard, shared, and - after > the day's work of gathering food, eating it, fucking each other > whenever possible, and sleeping were not taking center stage - > discussed. Are the concepts and observations that you propose somehow exempt from influence of confusion that you expound? .....and if not.......can you trust them? > > Since then, even until the present day, the thoughts in their heads - > older than any of them could possibly imagine - continue to amaze, > and confuse them, being as they are more wonderful than any sexual > partner, right up there with food, rest, and fucking. Talk is now, > and has been for thousands of years, the fourth S (along with > sustenance, shelter, and sex), speech. > > Humans - those talking apes in this factual story (like it or not, > argue with it or not, agree/disagree with it or not) - owe their > general state of mass confusion and mass delusion, to their being so > enamored of, and distracted by the language (the words, the ideas, > the concepts), that it blinds them to what is actually going on - how > it happened, how it's still happening - and it will continue to blind > them because there is almost no possible way to get free from their > " beloved " short of an intentional prefrontal lobotomy. This > meta-whore, language - again, who no longer even needs to seduce > them, being perfectly able to fuck them AT WILL - is paid, and must > be paid, in blood. Can that which is born of confusion.....ever see clearly? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Humans have become thoroughly and completely seduced by their > language, and that seduction - by a " beast " which did not even need > to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them at will - has > caused and does continue to cause all the confusion that runs rampant > on this planet today, yesterday, and the day before that...while they > remain totally oblivious. > > Humans are like, oh I don't know, monkeys that woke up one morning > and opened their mouths to welcome the morning with their hoots and > whistles and yowls and calls, and suddenly discovered they had a new > voice - to them both sweet sounding yet shudderingly scary - as they > knew not from where it emerged. > > After a short while, minutes perhaps, maybe as much as an hour or > two, it became quite clear - at least to a few of them - that the new > voice was coming from inside their own heads, and that shocking > realization engendered a sense of " love " , also quite new to them, as > well as it's counterpart, " fear/hate " , each of which terms had yet to > be discerned as distinct from the general background noise their new > voice had now become. > > As the process now developing between their ears became more and more > efficient, many more words - and their attendant feelings - arose in > these previously dumb beasts, and they were now able to share the > results of this mental/emotional activity with their group. > > Within a very short time, all the concepts their species were even > capable of hearing in their heads, were heard, shared, and - after > the day's work of gathering food, eating it, fucking each other > whenever possible, and sleeping were not taking center stage - > discussed. > > Since then, even until the present day, the thoughts in their heads - > older than any of them could possibly imagine - continue to amaze, > and confuse them, being as they are more wonderful than any sexual > partner, right up there with food, rest, and fucking. Talk is now, > and has been for thousands of years, the fourth S (along with > sustenance, shelter, and sex), speech. > > Humans - those talking apes in this factual story (like it or not, > argue with it or not, agree/disagree with it or not) - owe their > general state of mass confusion and mass delusion, to their being so > enamored of, and distracted by the language (the words, the ideas, > the concepts), that it blinds them to what is actually going on - how > it happened, how it's still happening - and it will continue to blind > them because there is almost no possible way to get free from their > " beloved " short of an intentional prefrontal lobotomy. This > meta-whore, language - again, who no longer even needs to seduce > them, being perfectly able to fuck them AT WILL - is paid, and must > be paid, in blood. LOL. This was fun stuff. But I wonder, maybe language and thinking really _are_ demons - demons that are there to scare us humans up in evolution: torturing us into transcending (and embracing) thought. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/20/05 2:05:54 PM, mybox234@b... writes: > > > > Humans have become thoroughly and completely seduced by their > > language, and that seduction - by a " beast " which did not even need > > to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them at will - has > > caused and does continue to cause all the confusion that runs rampant > > on this planet today, yesterday, and the day before that...while they > > remain totally oblivious. > > > > Humans are like, oh I don't know, monkeys that woke up one morning > > and opened their mouths to welcome the morning with their hoots and > > whistles and yowls and calls, and suddenly discovered they had a new > > voice - to them both sweet sounding yet shudderingly scary - as they > > knew not from where it emerged. > > > > After a short while, minutes perhaps, maybe as much as an hour or > > two, it became quite clear - at least to a few of them - that the new > > voice was coming from inside their own heads, and that shocking > > realization engendered a sense of " love " , also quite new to them, as > > well as it's counterpart, " fear/hate " , each of which terms had yet to > > be discerned as distinct from the general background noise their new > > voice had now become. > > > > As the process now developing between their ears became more and more > > efficient, many more words - and their attendant feelings - arose in > > these previously dumb beasts, and they were now able to share the > > results of this mental/emotional activity with their group. > > > > Within a very short time, all the concepts their species were even > > capable of hearing in their heads, were heard, shared, and - after > > the day's work of gathering food, eating it, fucking each other > > whenever possible, and sleeping were not taking center stage - > > discussed. > > > > Since then, even until the present day, the thoughts in their heads - > > older than any of them could possibly imagine - continue to amaze, > > and confuse them, being as they are more wonderful than any sexual > > partner, right up there with food, rest, and fucking. Talk is now, > > and has been for thousands of years, the fourth S (along with > > sustenance, shelter, and sex), speech. > > > > Humans - those talking apes in this factual story (like it or not, > > argue with it or not, agree/disagree with it or not) - owe their > > general state of mass confusion and mass delusion, to their being so > > enamored of, and distracted by the language (the words, the ideas, > > the concepts), that it blinds them to what is actually going on - how > > it happened, how it's still happening - and it will continue to blind > > them because there is almost no possible way to get free from their > > " beloved " short of an intentional prefrontal lobotomy. This > > meta-whore, language - again, who no longer even needs to seduce > > them, being perfectly able to fuck them AT WILL - is paid, and must > > be paid, in blood. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Good story, Bob. Nice allegories, it could be a good bed story for > seven+ kids, if edited for F words. And this is not a put down. The > need is there to teach kids this stuff early. Language gone wrong > has become more than a beast, it's a prison, a hall of mirrors > which mimics reality. More than that, we have become language, > we argue, fight and kill over memes that use us to survive. > Even people who know this, and preach against it > might still be trick into doing it in an ineffectual way. > For example, abusing the user of improper language, rather than the > language itself. Could this recent mock fight we enjoyed had been > subconsciously provoked to sabotage " our mission? " Just a little humor > about the mission part. > Interesting idea that memes are using us, and not us using them; maybe it is really not people who fight people but memes fighting memes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > > > Humans have become thoroughly and completely seduced by their > > language, and that seduction - by a " beast " which did not even need > > to seduce them, being perfectly able to fuck them at will - has > > caused and does continue to cause all the confusion that runs rampant > > on this planet today, yesterday, and the day before that...while they > > remain totally oblivious. > > > > > > > So.......If what you say is true......then all of what your said emerges from confusion. > > Humans are like, oh I don't know, monkeys that woke up one morning > > and opened their mouths to welcome the morning with their hoots and > > whistles and yowls and calls, and suddenly discovered they had a new > > voice - to them both sweet sounding yet shudderingly scary - as they > > knew not from where it emerged. > > > > After a short while, minutes perhaps, maybe as much as an hour or > > two, it became quite clear - at least to a few of them - that the new > > voice was coming from inside their own heads, and that shocking > > realization engendered a sense of " love " , also quite new to them, as > > well as it's counterpart, " fear/hate " , each of which terms had yet to > > be discerned as distinct from the general background noise their new > > voice had now become. > > > > As the process now developing between their ears became more and more > > efficient, many more words - and their attendant feelings - arose in > > these previously dumb beasts, and they were now able to share the > > results of this mental/emotional activity with their group. > > > > Within a very short time, all the concepts their species were even > > capable of hearing in their heads, were heard, shared, and - after > > the day's work of gathering food, eating it, fucking each other > > whenever possible, and sleeping were not taking center stage - > > discussed. > > > > Are the concepts and observations that you propose somehow exempt from influence of confusion that you expound? > > > ....and if not.......can you trust them? > > > > > > > Since then, even until the present day, the thoughts in their heads - > > older than any of them could possibly imagine - continue to amaze, > > and confuse them, being as they are more wonderful than any sexual > > partner, right up there with food, rest, and fucking. Talk is now, > > and has been for thousands of years, the fourth S (along with > > sustenance, shelter, and sex), speech. > > > > Humans - those talking apes in this factual story (like it or not, > > argue with it or not, agree/disagree with it or not) - owe their > > general state of mass confusion and mass delusion, to their being so > > enamored of, and distracted by the language (the words, the ideas, > > the concepts), that it blinds them to what is actually going on - how > > it happened, how it's still happening - and it will continue to blind > > them because there is almost no possible way to get free from their > > " beloved " short of an intentional prefrontal lobotomy. This > > meta-whore, language - again, who no longer even needs to seduce > > them, being perfectly able to fuck them AT WILL - is paid, and must > > be paid, in blood. > > > > > > Can that which is born of confusion.....ever see clearly? > > > > toombaru f. I heard a few times George Carlin say that when one is born, comes into this world, they are given a ticket to the freak show. (If in America you get a front row seat ;-)). Now. Just as Bob is fond of saying, George says, there are three groups of people. First you've got your Tonya Hardings, Joey Buttafuocos, Michael Jacksons, Scott Petersons -- the freaks. Then the group who watches it all, takes it all in. Then the group who commentates on all of it, cynical or no. He says that what may sound like cynical criticism is actually a critique of the cynical. I don't know exactly what he means by this. Of course, he is of the mind that the commentating is the most valuable position. That would make sense, given that that is what he does. Just a point of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > f. I heard a few times George Carlin say > that when one is born, > comes into this world, they are given a > ticket to the freak show. (If in America > you get a front row seat ;-)). Hey f: G.C. don't know shit from shinola. ;^) He's got one foot over the line, and one foot this side of the line, and he's too damn jaded to step through himself. Now, don't get me wrong (or do, it don't matter either way), I like the man - he's a hoot, and a damn sight better comedian than his hero ever was (Lenny) - but he's also way too enamored** of the language to see PAST (in his case) the inamorata. **Related Terms: attached to, becharmed, bewitched, captivated, charmed, crazy about, devoted to, enamored of, enchanted, enraptured, far gone on, fascinated, fond, fond of, gone on, heartsmitten, hipped on, in love with, infatuate, infatuated, mad about, nuts, nuts about, partial to, smitten, smitten with, struck with, stuck on, sweet on, taken with, wedded to, wild about, wrapped up in. > > Now. Just > as Bob is fond of saying, George says, > there are three groups of people. > > First you've got your Tonya Hardings, Joey Buttafuocos, > Michael Jacksons, Scott Petersons -- the freaks. > > Then the group who watches it all, takes > it all in. > > Then the group who commentates on all of it, > cynical or no. He says that what may sound > like cynical criticism is actually a critique of the > cynical. I don't know exactly what he means by this. G.C. has one foot over the line - enabling him to see to some degree what's going on with people and language - but his other foot is, so far, still nailed on this side of the line, and he can't see what language (and his love of it) has done (is doing, and will likely continue to do) to himself. As such, he comments on the external world only - the silliness, the strangeness, the contradictoriness, the blatant stupidity, etc. - without first noting the same in himself. One can never comprehend what's going on, when one has any kind of reaction to it, is identified with it in any way. While the >>results<< of language are externally expressed, the >>process<< is internal, and that is where the " rightful " investigation must occur (for those few who give a damn) - " How is it, that >>I<< am so configured that language occurs in >>me<< in the way that it does? " Or, " How is it that these particular terms (different for everybody) have such a definite effect upon me? " The terms are different in everyone - due to many things - but the effects are the same, identification with words, identification with language, i.e., getting screwed. You know the terms - patriotism, love, god, enlightenment, liberation, hate, and hundreds of others that once one has become duly enamored of saying them (both internally, and externally), one is hooked, usually to the death. That's what she (the metawhore) has planned for everyone, and her appetite is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > f. I heard a few times George Carlin say > > that when one is born, > > comes into this world, they are given a > > ticket to the freak show. (If in America > > you get a front row seat ;-)). > > Hey f: > G.C. don't know shit from shinola. ;^) > > He's got one foot over the line, and one foot this side of the line, > and he's too damn jaded to step through himself. Now, don't get me > wrong (or do, it don't matter either way), I like the man - he's a > hoot, and a damn sight better comedian than his hero ever was (Lenny) > - but he's also way too enamored** of the language to see PAST (in > his case) the inamorata. > f. He did conquer the pot addiction though. After it had outworn its usefulness as a value changing instrument, he began to abuse it. He saw past that inamorata. This one would be tougher, because it is who he is. > **Related Terms: attached to, becharmed, bewitched, captivated, > charmed, crazy about, devoted to, enamored of, enchanted, enraptured, > far gone on, fascinated, fond, fond of, gone on, heartsmitten, hipped > on, in love with, infatuate, infatuated, mad about, nuts, nuts about, > partial to, smitten, smitten with, struck with, stuck on, sweet on, > taken with, wedded to, wild about, wrapped up in. > > > > > > > Now. Just > > as Bob is fond of saying, George says, > > there are three groups of people. > > > > First you've got your Tonya Hardings, Joey Buttafuocos, > > Michael Jacksons, Scott Petersons -- the freaks. > > > > Then the group who watches it all, takes > > it all in. > > > > Then the group who commentates on all of it, > > cynical or no. He says that what may sound > > like cynical criticism is actually a critique of the > > cynical. I don't know exactly what he means by this. > > G.C. has one foot over the line - enabling him to see to some degree > what's going on with people and language - but his other foot is, so > far, still nailed on this side of the line, and he can't see what > language (and his love of it) has done (is doing, and will likely > continue to do) to himself. > f. perhaps > As such, he comments on the external world only - the silliness, the > strangeness, the contradictoriness, the blatant stupidity, etc. - > without first noting the same in himself. One can never comprehend > what's going on, when one has any kind of reaction to it, is > identified with it in any way. > f. Perhaps he thinks he is not identified with it. > While the >>results<< of language are externally expressed, the > >>process<< is internal, and that is where the " rightful " > investigation must occur (for those few who give a damn) - " How is > it, that >>I<< am so configured that language occurs in >>me<< in the > way that it does? " Or, " How is it that these particular terms > (different for everybody) have such a definite effect upon me? " > > The terms are different in everyone - due to many things - but the > effects are the same, identification with words, identification with > language, i.e., getting screwed. You know the terms - patriotism, > love, god, enlightenment, liberation, hate, and hundreds of others > that once one has become duly enamored of saying them (both > internally, and externally), one is hooked, usually to the death. > That's what she (the metawhore) has planned for everyone, and her > appetite is huge. f. Yeah, we better go kill that metawhore NOW Thanks, Bob, I enjoyed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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