Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Many mystics, many poets, many sages in many tradition have described realization / enlightenment as: When, the wave sees itself as the Ocean and realizes, ...it is the ocean itself, ...it loses its limitation. It loses it fear of birth and death. It becomes ONE with the ocean. " who " , WHAT you think this `wave' IS ...??? .. .... ...... Few folks have perhaps, tried to answer it in Not so Uncertain terms. I present few of them below. Let us see, if they point to a `who' or `what' of that, which realizes ... or changes due to realization : ======================= When consciousness frees itself from its identification with physical and mental forms, it becomes what we may call pure or enlightened consciousness or presence. ~ Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now The enlightened consciousness is rooted in the unmanifested, and ultimately is one with it. It knows itself to be that. ~ Eckhart Tolle It is the mind which is called subtle body or jiva (soul). ~Ramana When we turn the mind inwards, God manifests as the inner consciousness. ~Ramana There is always a sense of insufficiency, or what I call egoic consciousness: a sense of self derived from the mind's activity, which is an extremely limited sense of self compared to the reality of who you are. When you are trapped in this mind-made sense of self, you are trapped in consciousness that is conditioned by the past. ~ Eckhart Tolle Mind is consciousness, which has limitations. We are orginally unlimited and perfect. Later on we take on limitations and become the mind. ~Ramana When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. ~Ramana .. .... ...... See who is the doubter, who is the thinker. It is the ego. Hold it; the other thoughts will die away - the ego will be left pure. See the source from where the ego arises and abide in it. That is pure consciousness. ~Ramana When the mind is left without anything to cling to, it becomes still. ~Ramana Meditation helps concentration of the mind. Then the mind is free from thoughts and is in the meditated form. ~Ramana ..... .... .. That which rises as `I' in this body is the mind. ~Ramana Q. How will the mind become quiescent? Ramana: By the inquiry `Who am I?'. The thought `who am I?' will destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there will arise Self-realization. Q. What is the means for constantly holding on to the thought `Who am I?' Ramana: When other thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but should inquire: `To whom do they arise?' It does not matter how many thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire with diligence, " To whom has this thought arisen? " . The answer that would emerge would be " To me " . Thereupon if one inquires " Who am I? " , the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is called " inwardness " (antarmukha). Letting the mind go out of the Heart is known as " externalisation " (bahir-mukha). Thus, when the mind stays in the Heart, the `I' which is the source of all thoughts will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one does, one should do without the egoity " I " . If one acts in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God). ================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Many mystics, many poets, many sages in many tradition have described > realization / enlightenment as: > > When, the wave sees itself as the Ocean and realizes, ...it is the > ocean itself, ...it loses its limitation. It loses it fear of birth > and death. It becomes ONE with the ocean. > > > > " who " , WHAT you think this `wave' IS ...??? > > > . > ... > ..... > > Few folks have perhaps, tried to answer it in Not so Uncertain terms. > > I present few of them below. > > Let us see, if they point to a `who' or `what' of that, which > realizes ... > or changes due to realization : > > > ======================= > > When consciousness frees itself from its identification with physical > and mental forms, it becomes what we may call pure or enlightened > consciousness or presence. > > ~ Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now > > > The enlightened consciousness is rooted in the unmanifested, and > ultimately is one with it. It knows itself to be that. > > ~ Eckhart Tolle > > > It is the mind which is called subtle body or jiva (soul). > ~Ramana > > > When we turn the mind inwards, God manifests as the inner > consciousness. > > ~Ramana > > > There is always a sense of insufficiency, or what I call egoic > consciousness: a sense of self derived from the mind's activity, > which is an extremely limited sense of self compared to the reality > of who you are. When you are trapped in this mind-made sense of self, > you are trapped in consciousness that is conditioned by the past. > > ~ Eckhart Tolle > > Mind is consciousness, which has limitations. We are orginally > unlimited and perfect. Later on we take on limitations and become the > mind. > > ~Ramana > > > > When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the > senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the > heart, the names and forms disappear. > > ~Ramana > > > . > ... > ..... > > See who is the doubter, who is the thinker. It is the ego. Hold it; > the other thoughts will die away - the ego will be left pure. See the > source from where the ego arises and abide in it. That is pure > consciousness. > ~Ramana > > > > When the mind is left without anything to cling to, it becomes still. > ~Ramana > > > Meditation helps concentration of the mind. Then the mind is free > from thoughts and is in the meditated form. > ~Ramana > > .... > ... > . > > That which rises as `I' in this body is the mind. > > ~Ramana > > Q. How will the mind become quiescent? > > Ramana: By the inquiry `Who am I?'. The thought `who am I?' will > destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the > burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there > will arise Self-realization. > > > Q. What is the means for constantly holding on to the thought `Who > am I?' > > Ramana: When other thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but > should inquire: `To whom do they arise?' It does not matter how many > thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire > with diligence, " To whom has this thought arisen? " . The answer that > would emerge would be " To me " . Thereupon if one inquires " Who am I? " , > the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will > become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind > will develop the skill to stay in its source. > > When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the > senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the > heart, the names and forms disappear. > > Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is > called " inwardness " (antarmukha). Letting the mind go out of the > Heart is known as " externalisation " (bahir-mukha). Thus, when the > mind stays in the Heart, the `I' which is the source of all thoughts > will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one > does, one should do without the egoity " I " . If one acts > in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God). > > > ================================== Nice quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Who or what this wave is ? It is Eckhart Tolle swimming in the ocean thinking he is a wave. Werner Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Many mystics, many poets, many sages in many tradition have described > realization / enlightenment as: > > When, the wave sees itself as the Ocean and realizes, ...it is the > ocean itself, ...it loses its limitation. It loses it fear of birth > and death. It becomes ONE with the ocean. > > > > " who " , WHAT you think this `wave' IS ...??? > > > . > ... > ..... > > Few folks have perhaps, tried to answer it in Not so Uncertain terms. > > I present few of them below. > > Let us see, if they point to a `who' or `what' of that, which > realizes ... > or changes due to realization : > > > ======================= > > When consciousness frees itself from its identification with physical > and mental forms, it becomes what we may call pure or enlightened > consciousness or presence. > > ~ Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now > > > The enlightened consciousness is rooted in the unmanifested, and > ultimately is one with it. It knows itself to be that. > > ~ Eckhart Tolle > > > It is the mind which is called subtle body or jiva (soul). > ~Ramana > > > When we turn the mind inwards, God manifests as the inner > consciousness. > > ~Ramana > > > There is always a sense of insufficiency, or what I call egoic > consciousness: a sense of self derived from the mind's activity, > which is an extremely limited sense of self compared to the reality > of who you are. When you are trapped in this mind-made sense of self, > you are trapped in consciousness that is conditioned by the past. > > ~ Eckhart Tolle > > Mind is consciousness, which has limitations. We are orginally > unlimited and perfect. Later on we take on limitations and become the > mind. > > ~Ramana > > > > When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the > senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the > heart, the names and forms disappear. > > ~Ramana > > > . > ... > ..... > > See who is the doubter, who is the thinker. It is the ego. Hold it; > the other thoughts will die away - the ego will be left pure. See the > source from where the ego arises and abide in it. That is pure > consciousness. > ~Ramana > > > > When the mind is left without anything to cling to, it becomes still. > ~Ramana > > > Meditation helps concentration of the mind. Then the mind is free > from thoughts and is in the meditated form. > ~Ramana > > .... > ... > . > > That which rises as `I' in this body is the mind. > > ~Ramana > > Q. How will the mind become quiescent? > > Ramana: By the inquiry `Who am I?'. The thought `who am I?' will > destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the > burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there > will arise Self-realization. > > > Q. What is the means for constantly holding on to the thought `Who > am I?' > > Ramana: When other thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but > should inquire: `To whom do they arise?' It does not matter how many > thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire > with diligence, " To whom has this thought arisen? " . The answer that > would emerge would be " To me " . Thereupon if one inquires " Who am I? " , > the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will > become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind > will develop the skill to stay in its source. > > When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the > senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the > heart, the names and forms disappear. > > Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is > called " inwardness " (antarmukha). Letting the mind go out of the > Heart is known as " externalisation " (bahir-mukha). Thus, when the > mind stays in the Heart, the `I' which is the source of all thoughts > will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one > does, one should do without the egoity " I " . If one acts > in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God). > > > ================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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