Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Freud's theory of primary narcissism underlies much of Lacan's thinking here. The infant develops two strong libidinal attachments: to his mother (or other primary caregiver) and to his own ego. What is the connection between sexual libido (what Freud in " On Narcissism " calls object libido, which is directed outward toward persons and things, and the libido that is invested in the ego (what Freud calls ego-libido? The ego-libido is a kind of double-edged sword. Part of the ego's investment in its image is positive; minimally, we need to have some investment in ourselves to nourish our bodies and preserve them from harm. The Ideal-I, because it never fully corresponds to the entity the subject experiences as " herself. " also spurs disappointment, frustration, and anger, In Lacan's terms, we never " measure up " to our Ideal-I, and this failure emerges in our psycho-social lives in the form of insecurity, envy, and hostility. The dissatisfaction that arises from the split in our egos colors all of our social behaviors. Lacan alludes to the Christian parable of the good Samaritan to suggest that even our greatest acts of self-sacrifice are driven in part by the need to shore up our ideal image of ourselves--the gratifying vision of ourselves, for example, as saintly, self-sacrificing people. All:One Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Freud's theory of primary narcissism underlies much of Lacan's > thinking here. The infant develops two strong libidinal attachments: > to his mother (or other primary caregiver) and to his own ego. What > is the connection between sexual libido (what Freud in " On > Narcissism " calls object libido, which is directed outward toward > persons and things, and the libido that is invested in the ego (what > Freud calls ego-libido? The ego-libido is a kind of double-edged > sword. Part of the ego's investment in its image is positive; > minimally, we need to have some investment in ourselves to nourish > our bodies and preserve them from harm. The Ideal-I, because it > never fully corresponds to the entity the subject experiences > as " herself. " also spurs disappointment, frustration, and anger, In > Lacan's terms, we never " measure up " to our Ideal-I, and this > failure emerges in our psycho-social lives in the form of > insecurity, envy, and hostility. The dissatisfaction that arises > from the split in our egos colors all of our social behaviors. Lacan > alludes to the Christian parable of the good Samaritan to suggest > that even our greatest acts of self-sacrifice are driven in part by > the need to shore up our ideal image of ourselves--the gratifying > vision of ourselves, for example, as saintly, self-sacrificing > people. > > > All:One > Kip Almazy One can learn a lot by studying shadows.........but nothing of substance. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > > > Freud's theory of primary narcissism underlies much of Lacan's > > thinking here. The infant develops two strong libidinal attachments: > > to his mother (or other primary caregiver) and to his own ego. What > > is the connection between sexual libido (what Freud in " On > > Narcissism " calls object libido, which is directed outward toward > > persons and things, and the libido that is invested in the ego (what > > Freud calls ego-libido? The ego-libido is a kind of double-edged > > sword. Part of the ego's investment in its image is positive; > > minimally, we need to have some investment in ourselves to nourish > > our bodies and preserve them from harm. The Ideal-I, because it > > never fully corresponds to the entity the subject experiences > > as " herself. " also spurs disappointment, frustration, and anger, In > > Lacan's terms, we never " measure up " to our Ideal-I, and this > > failure emerges in our psycho-social lives in the form of > > insecurity, envy, and hostility. The dissatisfaction that arises > > from the split in our egos colors all of our social behaviors. Lacan > > alludes to the Christian parable of the good Samaritan to suggest > > that even our greatest acts of self-sacrifice are driven in part by > > the need to shore up our ideal image of ourselves--the gratifying > > vision of ourselves, for example, as saintly, self-sacrificing > > people. > > > > > > All:One > > Kip Almazy > > > > > > One can learn a lot by studying shadows.........but nothing of substance. ) Sure, Toombaru! What would you suggest, then? What could possibly be something of substance? Love Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 In a message dated 3/23/05 6:54:50 AM, cptc writes: > Mountains.........are slow moving dirt waves. > > P: Wonderful metaphor. Love it! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > > > > Freud's theory of primary narcissism underlies much of Lacan's > > > thinking here. The infant develops two strong libidinal > attachments: > > > to his mother (or other primary caregiver) and to his own ego. > What > > > is the connection between sexual libido (what Freud in " On > > > Narcissism " calls object libido, which is directed outward toward > > > persons and things, and the libido that is invested in the ego > (what > > > Freud calls ego-libido? The ego-libido is a kind of double-edged > > > sword. Part of the ego's investment in its image is positive; > > > minimally, we need to have some investment in ourselves to > nourish > > > our bodies and preserve them from harm. The Ideal-I, because it > > > never fully corresponds to the entity the subject experiences > > > as " herself. " also spurs disappointment, frustration, and anger, > In > > > Lacan's terms, we never " measure up " to our Ideal-I, and this > > > failure emerges in our psycho-social lives in the form of > > > insecurity, envy, and hostility. The dissatisfaction that arises > > > from the split in our egos colors all of our social behaviors. > Lacan > > > alludes to the Christian parable of the good Samaritan to suggest > > > that even our greatest acts of self-sacrifice are driven in part > by > > > the need to shore up our ideal image of ourselves--the gratifying > > > vision of ourselves, for example, as saintly, self-sacrificing > > > people. > > > > > > > > > All:One > > > Kip Almazy > > > > > > > > > > > > One can learn a lot by studying shadows.........but nothing of > substance. > > > ) Sure, Toombaru! What would you suggest, then? What could > possibly be something of substance? > > > Love > Kip Almazy Mountains.........are slow moving dirt waves. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/23/05 6:54:50 AM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > Mountains.........are slow moving dirt waves. > > > > > > P: Wonderful metaphor. Love it! Thanks. > f. o yes, that's a good one All that's observed is compacted, or slow moving substance > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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