Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful way, for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. The word, verbalized as euthanasia (the thought about the action), like many, many similar words humans are identified with (in the sense that they " identify " their sense of self with the position they take, verbally, on the subject) is a self-limiting device, language uses to keep humans " in their place " (in the same way a nail could be used to keep you in the basement, by nailing your foot to the basement floor). Becoming free of the effects of language - while sounding like something that " could be done " (if only you knew how) - is what awakening, enlightenment, liberation is all about (if it can be " said " that those " terms " are " about something " , " pointing to something " ) Becoming free from language - willfully moving away from the mother's teat which language is/has become for humans - requires a certain kind of absolutely unnecessary effort, that one must acquire a " taste for " , in the same way that one might actually " love " brussels sprouts (it is generally not natural to love brussels sprouts, except in an extremely small minority of humans.) That is, loving consciousness MORE than the words about consciousness... loving being conscious MORE than talking about it... to the point of experiencing something that one knows (only for oneself, and which can not be proven to another nor should even be attempted), could only BE experienced while over the line of demarcation (the ties that bind) that represents one's lifelong attachment to (identification with) words. The reason people all over the planet are presently engaged in this discussion about euthanasia - and killing a brain-dead (or extremely damaged) woman as an act of kindness - is NOT because one viewpoint is right above all others, and they (who are so engaged/caught up in the discussion) must enlighten the rest as to that rightness, but rather to continue the confusion that exists in humanity about the topic, which, of course, is right order - the " higher right " . Conversation is NOT about clearing things up. Conversation is about continuiing the confusion - the " higher right " . Life is the higher right, not the viewpoints of a bunch of confused humans who have yet to discover what Life is doing, nor why it's (apparently) doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 When T. Schiavo finally dies, next week probably, nothing will have changed at all, NOTHING - in one very specific sense: the conversation will still go on, only the parties involved will have changed their particular jargon and emphases. It will no longer be about keeping someone alive (who already died as a functioning human a long time ago), but about keeping others, similarly afflicted alive (you know, the old, " so it doesn't happen again to someone else " thingee/dodge/distraction.) That is, nothing will have been " learned. " No one will have become " more enlightened. " The status quo will remain the status quo - and do you know what the status quo IS? Conversation will and must continue apace, accumulating more and more refuse around the confused and contemplatives alike. Conversation only leads to more confusion, not less. Whatever Life wants from man, whatever it's primary tool language wants from man, will result - and whether or not a few individuals here and there (quite few, and even moreso far-between) will " get something significant " from it, is highly doubtful and problematic, until one alters the pathways of their prior identifications and attachments. By the way, it's one thing to know something is necessary - to agree with something AFTER you hear it - it's quite another thing entirely to be ABLE to discuss HOW to do it, and under WHAT circumstances, and WHEN, and WHY, and WHERE... ( " Who " , has nothing to do with this, or anything - anymore than " Schiavo " has anything to do with " euthanasia " or " nuclear physics " .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of > killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful way, > for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. Astonishing that in a land with such an amount of yearly executions a case like Terry's case provoke polemics of that magnitude. Terry appears nearly everday at the news here in Europe. Completely hysterical! Childish! Cheesy! Kind of " Death-Watch " a la américaine? There are thousands of Terrys all over the world every day. What makes this case so special? Who wins something with this artificially magnified drama? I will stop looking at the news for the next 5 days! What a mess! No applause! KA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > wrote: > > > > Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of > > killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful way, > > for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. > > > Astonishing that in a land with such an amount of yearly executions > a case like Terry's case provoke polemics of that magnitude. Terry > appears nearly everday at the news here in Europe. Completely > hysterical! Childish! Cheesy! Kind of " Death-Watch " a la américaine? > There are thousands of Terrys all over the world every day. What > makes this case so special? Who wins something with this > artificially magnified drama? I will stop looking at the news for > the next 5 days! What a mess! No applause! > > > > KA f. The media spin on everything is simply OUT of control. Intelligent people cannot even watch the news anymore without getting disgusted, esp at what is covered, focused on and that which is left out. Oh yes, and now the state (Florida) is prepared to take custody of Terry because the US Supreme Court won't touch it, as this grotesque battle rages on. At one time, Terry may have had the choice to die consciously. Now she doesn't even know that she doesn't know. Her chance to die with dignity is gone, and the principals involved are turning it into a travesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of > > > killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful > way, > > > for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. > > > > > > Astonishing that in a land with such an amount of yearly executions > > a case like Terry's case provoke polemics of that magnitude. Terry > > appears nearly everday at the news here in Europe. Completely > > hysterical! Childish! Cheesy! Kind of " Death-Watch " a la > américaine? > > There are thousands of Terrys all over the world every day. What > > makes this case so special? Who wins something with this > > artificially magnified drama? I will stop looking at the news for > > the next 5 days! What a mess! No applause! > > > > > > > > KA > > > f. The media spin on everything is simply OUT of control. > Intelligent people cannot even watch the news > anymore without getting disgusted, esp at what is > covered, focused on and that which is left out. > > Oh yes, and now the state (Florida) is prepared > to take custody of Terry because > the US Supreme Court won't touch it, > as this grotesque battle rages on. > > At one time, Terry may have had the choice > to die consciously. Now she doesn't even > know that she doesn't know. Her chance to > die with dignity is gone, and the principals > involved are turning it into a travesty. f. Of course, dying with dignity is not an issue for Terry, by virtue of the fact that she doesn't know that she doesn't know. So what does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of > > > > killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful > > way, > > > > for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. > > > > > > > > > Astonishing that in a land with such an amount of yearly > executions > > > a case like Terry's case provoke polemics of that magnitude. > Terry > > > appears nearly everday at the news here in Europe. Completely > > > hysterical! Childish! Cheesy! Kind of " Death-Watch " a la > > américaine? > > > There are thousands of Terrys all over the world every day. What > > > makes this case so special? Who wins something with this > > > artificially magnified drama? I will stop looking at the news for > > > the next 5 days! What a mess! No applause! > > > > > > > > > > > > KA > > > > > > f. The media spin on everything is simply OUT of control. > > Intelligent people cannot even watch the news > > anymore without getting disgusted, esp at what is > > covered, focused on and that which is left out. > > > > Oh yes, and now the state (Florida) is prepared > > to take custody of Terry because > > the US Supreme Court won't touch it, > > as this grotesque battle rages on. > > > > At one time, Terry may have had the choice > > to die consciously. Now she doesn't even > > know that she doesn't know. Her chance to > > die with dignity is gone, and the principals > > involved are turning it into a travesty. > > > f. Of course, dying with dignity is not > an issue for Terry, by virtue of the fact > that she doesn't know that she doesn't know. > > So what does that tell you? That no one has ever bought any shoes, not even Terry. Terryble, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 - carolina112900 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:35 AM Re: Euthanasia Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > wrote: > > > > Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of > > killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful way, > > for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. > > > Astonishing that in a land with such an amount of yearly executions > a case like Terry's case provoke polemics of that magnitude. Terry > appears nearly everday at the news here in Europe. Completely > hysterical! Childish! Cheesy! Kind of " Death-Watch " a la américaine? > There are thousands of Terrys all over the world every day. What > makes this case so special? Who wins something with this > artificially magnified drama? I will stop looking at the news for > the next 5 days! What a mess! No applause! > > > > KA f. The media spin on everything is simply OUT of control. Intelligent people cannot even watch the news anymore without getting disgusted, esp at what is covered, focused on and that which is left out. Oh yes, and now the state (Florida) is prepared to take custody of Terry because the US Supreme Court won't touch it, as this grotesque battle rages on. At one time, Terry may have had the choice to die consciously. Now she doesn't even know that she doesn't know. Her chance to die with dignity is gone, and the principals involved are turning it into a travesty. ** amen... a true 'absence of presence' ?/ a. If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 - carolina112900 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:51 AM Re: Euthanasia Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Euthanasia (Greek, " good death " ) is the practice (the action) of > > > killing a person or animal, in a painless or minimally painful > way, > > > for merciful reasons, usually to end their suffering. > > > > > > Astonishing that in a land with such an amount of yearly executions > > a case like Terry's case provoke polemics of that magnitude. Terry > > appears nearly everday at the news here in Europe. Completely > > hysterical! Childish! Cheesy! Kind of " Death-Watch " a la > américaine? > > There are thousands of Terrys all over the world every day. What > > makes this case so special? Who wins something with this > > artificially magnified drama? I will stop looking at the news for > > the next 5 days! What a mess! No applause! > > > > > > > > KA > > > f. The media spin on everything is simply OUT of control. > Intelligent people cannot even watch the news > anymore without getting disgusted, esp at what is > covered, focused on and that which is left out. > > Oh yes, and now the state (Florida) is prepared > to take custody of Terry because > the US Supreme Court won't touch it, > as this grotesque battle rages on. > > At one time, Terry may have had the choice > to die consciously. Now she doesn't even > know that she doesn't know. Her chance to > die with dignity is gone, and the principals > involved are turning it into a travesty. f. Of course, dying with dignity is not an issue for Terry, by virtue of the fact that she doesn't know that she doesn't know. So what does that tell you? The paradox is terri, (i'm on hear/say here) hated her body enough to practice bulimia, that now courts, parents, husband, and the general public on both 'sides' love her body enough to create what is taking place.... anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > f. The media spin on everything is simply OUT of control. > > Intelligent people cannot even watch the news > > anymore without getting disgusted, esp at what is > > covered, focused on and that which is left out. > > > > Oh yes, and now the state (Florida) is prepared > > to take custody of Terry because > > the US Supreme Court won't touch it, > > as this grotesque battle rages on. > > > > At one time, Terry may have had the choice > > to die consciously. Now she doesn't even > > know that she doesn't know. Her chance to > > die with dignity is gone, and the principals > > involved are turning it into a travesty. > > > f. Of course, dying with dignity is not > an issue for Terry, by virtue of the fact > that she doesn't know that she doesn't know. > > So what does that tell you? > > The paradox is > terri, (i'm on hear/say here) hated her body enough to practice bulimia, that now courts, parents, husband, and the general public on both 'sides' love her body enough to create what is taking place.... > > anna > Bulimia is said to be about the need for control taken to an extreme. The need for control continues to take place in this arena. Doctors (hear/say) are not in agreement about whether or not pain can or will be experienced, and the degree of it by virtue of the feeding tube being removed and just letting her wither slowly and die, contrasted with dose of cyanide - short, sharp, shock. .....later off to play in another place where am being called... ~freyja > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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