Awareness

[Guest guest]

Lewis wrote:

That which is this subtle essence, all

this has got

That as the Self. That is truth. That is

the Self.

Thou art that, O Svetaketu.

 

Michael

 

Lewis: Would that Self as Nirguna Brahman

be without

second and formless and attributeless?

Thou art that,

which is formless and attributeless?

 

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Hi Lewis,

Yes that is the Nirguna Brahman,

one, changeless, without a second. Saguna

Brahman is Brahman with qualities. In the

personified form Saguna Brahman can take

the form of one's ishta devata (form of

divinity) or the Sat Guru. Jnanis also

offer worship to their chosen form as did

Nisargadatta and Ramana who saw Arunachala

as Shiva.

 

By the way I read that Nisargadatta was

cremated which is odd because as a rule

realised sages are buried in the Hindu

tradition.

 

Michael.

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There is no duration to the present as it is.

 

Untouched by thought is to be untouched by memory.

 

Memory is thought is time is duration is process.

 

This, as is, simply: timeless, nondurational, acausal and nondivided.

 

It is not the perceptual image that moves from present to past, and

into present from future.

 

It doesn't move into somewhere else or come into being from somewhere

else - there is no somewhere else.

 

Stated in positive terms: awareness, totality, eternity, presence.

 

-- D.

 

 

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Awakening

> ========

>

> Awakening is physical event. It is

> waking up from dream. It is waking up

> from sleep. It is waking from

> " thoughts " . It is being thoughtless,

> content-less. . . for the first time

> [and, then every other time] for a

> noticeable enough duration. It is

> ending up without dream, without sleep

> [thoughts] for large enough duration.

> It is a gap between thoughts which is

> large enough to become readily apparent.

>

> A physical activity like Yoga, breathe

> control can cause it. Some other

> activities can cause it too.

>

>

>

>

>

> Realization

> ==========

>

> Realization is seeing your true nature

> in absence of thoughts, concepts and

> images and recognizing it as such -

> your true nature, empty of content. It

> is seeing who you really are and who

> you are not.

>

>

>

> Enlightenment

> ===========

>

> Enlightenment is waking up from the

> dream, realizing your true nature plus

> realizing the nature of the 'mind',

> soul, individual and the universe. It

> is realization of the nature of the

> universe, evolution, the operating

> principle, the driving force. It is

> understanding the purpose, process and

> significance of life and death, of

> human life, of coming and going, of the

> universe, of the bondage and freedom,

> of nirvana, of liberation, of

> salvation. . . of Enlightenment. It is

> being able to understand everything

> with enough clarity to be able to serve

> as a 'guide', as a 'leader' - as

> 'messenger' - as a 'prophet' - as an

> 'avatar' - as a 'master' - as an

> 'adept'. It is being to recognize,

> understand and do the 'job of God'.

>

>

>

> Awakening is an event. It is an even

> which can be slow and gradual [as in

> increasing the duration of being

> 'thoughtless', content-less and thus

> 'waking up' slowly …] or it can be

> sudden.

>

> Realization and Enlightenment are

> always a 'process' . . . an 'ongoing'

> process!

>