Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 In a message dated 3/27/05 11:04:15 AM, dan330033 writes: > P: Tell me friend, how have you clarified anything by defining > clarity > > as a movement thru an omnipresent point? It's a beautiful meta4, > > but no more clear than oceanic feeling. Equally vague and not > clarifying > > is to say that this clarity is conferred to some unnamed self. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/26/05 7:21:19 AM, dan330033 writes: > > > > the clarity to know oneself as one is, is not > > an oceanic feeling. > > > > it is moving into and through the omnipresent primordial point, without > > moving. > > > > there is no great psychological thinker who can give > > this to you -- because it involves no psychological > > process or interpretation, nor way of thinking about it. > > > > only you can give this to yourself - but not to the " yourself " > > of thought and memory image, nor to the self of located perception > > in relation to objects. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > P: Tell me friend, how have you clarified anything by defining clarity > as a movement thru an omnipresent point? It's a beautiful meta4, > but no more clear than oceanic feeling. Equally vague and not clarifying > is to say that this clarity is conferred to some unnamed self. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 In a message dated 3/28/05 7:19:35 AM, dan330033 writes: > But this movement that is motionless, what exactly is the > best way to categorize it? > > P: There is no way, and no one to walk it, and no thing really moves. One could say movement just seem to appear within the immutable, but these are just poetic pointings, not categories. Enjoy, your brief apparent movement to Palo Alto. And if you plan to visit San Diego, let me know, I'll buy you lunch, if that seems OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > P: Yes, but you need concepts to fight concepts. D: Until you don't hold a concept to represent truth. Then there is no fight, nothing to fight against or for. But, the concept that there is no fight isn't sacred either. If one likes to fight, no problem, have at it - and, unlike a police officer, you can always find one! :-) > It's like > when I was living in Chicago and sometimes my tires > where spinning on the ice, if I had nothing better, > I would bring a bucket of hot water out to melt > the ice under the tire. Fighting frozen water with hot water. Nice meta4. And when the water is melted, the water moves on. But this movement that is motionless, what exactly is the best way to categorize it? > > P: Well, I doubt that I provide clarity. Maybe at the most, on occasion, > I can get someone to question whether they need those beliefs they > defend.... And why. Yes, quite so. It's all a matter of releasing ungrounded assumptions. And then, releasing the idea that something is released. One is now at and as this unspeakable, which has never been said. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/28/05 7:19:35 AM, dan330033 writes: > > > > But this movement that is motionless, what exactly is the > > best way to categorize it? > > > > > > P: There is no way, and no one to walk it, and no thing > really moves. One could say movement just seem to appear > within the immutable, but these are just poetic pointings, > not categories. Indeed! > Enjoy, your brief apparent movement to > Palo Alto. And if you plan to visit San Diego, let me know, > I'll buy you lunch, if that seems OK. Thanks, Pete, sounds good! I didn't know you were in San Diego! Cool! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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