Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not the highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can see that it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My thinking cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by observing the fact that when something good happens in my life it has seldom come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking is most of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the incompetence of my own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but some sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence than my conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often feel not good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! " ...stop trying to create a good world for yourself.........stop trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is heaven............but it's not going to feel like heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you can create anything for yourself..............What you can do is to give up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then creation can come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can > only when it rises of its own accord, without your will does it have any value. what to do till then? wait. spiritual practice is waiting, and getting used to your misery. then suddenly of its own accord misery vanishes and faith arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 - hemantbhai100 Nisargadatta Friday, April 01, 2005 8:16 PM Re: Faith Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can > only when it rises of its own accord, without your will does it have any value. what to do till then? wait. spiritual practice is waiting, and getting used to your misery. then suddenly of its own accord misery vanishes and faith arises. ** Faith: the absence of any belief/belief system the knowingness of the ONE-ness in which everything happens perfectly, without residue comparision, objection or separation. an absolute intimacy with what Is. i have never really verablizd it before. thank you. a. If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can > > > > only when it rises of its own accord, without your will does it have > any value. > > what to do till then? wait. > > spiritual practice is waiting, and getting used to your misery. then > suddenly of its own accord misery vanishes and faith arises. I believe a leap must take place for spiritual awakening to happen. We as a human species has gone from pre-thinking to thinking and are heading into post-thinking. That leap is from thinking to intuition, not from thinking back to instinct or having no free will. As Ken Wilber says, evolution is about transcending _and_ embracing the previous level of evolution. There is no " other " who can bring faith about, yet thought can hardly transcend itself, but thought cannot be left behind or dropped. Thought must be integrated into a higher state (be trancended _and_ embraced). al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:21 AM Re: Faith Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can > > > > only when it rises of its own accord, without your will does it have > any value. > > what to do till then? wait. > > spiritual practice is waiting, and getting used to your misery. then > suddenly of its own accord misery vanishes and faith arises. I believe a leap must take place for spiritual awakening to happen. We as a human species has gone from pre-thinking to thinking and are heading into post-thinking. That leap is from thinking to intuition, not from thinking back to instinct or having no free will. As Ken Wilber says, evolution is about transcending _and_ embracing the previous level of evolution. There is no " other " who can bring faith about, yet thought can hardly transcend itself, but thought cannot be left behind or dropped. Thought must be integrated into a higher state (be trancended _and_ embraced). al. As thought is seen through (belief/belief systems in the repository of the brain as chemical interactions), one can see evolution-as-means being involution-as-means. a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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