Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Physical, silent consciousness, is a genetic expression of what you are - all the higher animals have their own unique expression (and just how low one would have to go before some creature did not appear to express some form of consciousness is unclear), and thus all lions express that consciousness similarly, as do gazelles, giraffes, rhinos, dogs, cats, monkeys, squirrels, rats, etc. Gazelles never act like giraffes, dogs never act like cats, and squirrels never acts like rhinos - though, the thought *does* certainly bring a smile... Only " humans " do not act like Humans (capitalized, and without quotation marks), and that certainly brings an even wider smile!! Humans, being part of the organic life on earth, and the highest animal in that global biosphere, are all a genetic expression of what they are, but there is something uniquely different about their expressions, than even their nearest genetic relatives. And, obviously - for those who think about such things - it is due to language, i.e., the conscious part of the brain, the cerebral cortex, which is capable of thinking abstractly, symbolically, metaphorically, and representing the external world as perceived in it's entirety within the apparently limited confines of a 3 pound mass of gray matter. And that is where humans differ - not only dramatically, but moreso - from their nearest genetic relatives, who have no such capacity, and don't even appear to be nearing the acquisition of such capacity. Humans are eons ahead of even the apes, and they are probably eons ahead of everything else. (While there is apparently nothing which is eons ahead of mankind.) So, why would the biosphere - Life itself - need to make this unique creature, totally unique on this planet, and for all anybody knows, perhaps in the entire universe, and provide it with the capacity to think, and talk amongst themselves, sharing information about the world, that only they can? There are theories of course - and they abound - but they are all just that. Individual evolution begins with a personal investigation, using oneself as the object of study, regarding the one significant question that any human can possibly ask: Why do I talk (so much, all the time, non-stop, AD NAUSEUM!!) when my natural silent consciousness is more than sufficient, and EVERYBODY (from swamis to gurus to masters, etc., in all times) says in (really) no uncertain terms: stop thought, stop thinking, stop talking... meditate, be mindful, remember yourself, be present? That is, what is going on that, on the one hand, Life has created all creatures - including man - with a degree of consciousness suitable for their profitable existence, but only Mankind with something else, which all of (supposed " more enlightened " ) humanity agrees is something to stifle, stop, slow down, and eventually, shut down entirely, in favor of changing the relationship between silent and talking consciousness from 1%-99%, to 50%-50%, or even 100%-0%?? Jump right in if you dare. You don't have a clue, but you might have some fun making stuff up. Here's a little hint/shove/push: Talk covers the sheer nakedness of natural, physical, silent consciousness, so as to pretend - full frontal fashionistas that we are - to be " Something-or-other " for the world to see, NOT, NOT, NOT because something is wrong, NOR that the " self " or " mind " is operating incorrectly (as the faux enlightened advaitins might incorrectly suggest), but something else entirely. Jump right in if you dare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Physical, silent consciousness, is a genetic expression of what you > are - all the higher animals have their own unique expression (and > just how low one would have to go before some creature did not appear > to express some form of consciousness is unclear), and thus all lions > express that consciousness similarly, as do gazelles, giraffes, > rhinos, dogs, cats, monkeys, squirrels, rats, etc. > > Gazelles never act like giraffes, dogs never act like cats, and > squirrels never acts like rhinos - though, the thought *does* > certainly bring a smile... Only " humans " do not act like Humans > (capitalized, and without quotation marks), and that certainly brings > an even wider smile!! > > Humans, being part of the organic life on earth, and the highest > animal in that global biosphere, are all a genetic expression of what > they are, but there is something uniquely different about their > expressions, than even their nearest genetic relatives. > > And, obviously - for those who think about such things - it is due to > language, i.e., the conscious part of the brain, the cerebral cortex, > which is capable of thinking abstractly, symbolically, > metaphorically, and representing the external world as perceived in > it's entirety within the apparently limited confines of a 3 pound > mass of gray matter. > > And that is where humans differ - not only dramatically, but moreso - > from their nearest genetic relatives, who have no such capacity, and > don't even appear to be nearing the acquisition of such capacity. > Humans are eons ahead of even the apes, and they are probably eons > ahead of everything else. (While there is apparently nothing which is > eons ahead of mankind.) > > So, why would the biosphere - Life itself - need to make this unique > creature, totally unique on this planet, and for all anybody knows, > perhaps in the entire universe, and provide it with the capacity to > think, and talk amongst themselves, sharing information about the > world, that only they can? > > There are theories of course - and they abound - but they are all > just that. Individual evolution begins with a personal investigation, > using oneself as the object of study, regarding the one significant > question that any human can possibly ask: Why do I talk (so much, all > the time, non-stop, AD NAUSEUM!!) when my natural silent > consciousness is more than sufficient, and EVERYBODY (from swamis to > gurus to masters, etc., in all times) says in (really) no uncertain > terms: stop thought, stop thinking, stop talking... meditate, be > mindful, remember yourself, be present? > > That is, what is going on that, on the one hand, Life has created all > creatures - including man - with a degree of consciousness suitable > for their profitable existence, but only Mankind with something else, > which all of (supposed " more enlightened " ) humanity agrees is > something to stifle, stop, slow down, and eventually, shut down > entirely, in favor of changing the relationship between silent and > talking consciousness from 1%-99%, to 50%-50%, or even 100%-0%?? > > Jump right in if you dare. > You don't have a clue, but you might have some fun making stuff up. > > Here's a little hint/shove/push: > Talk covers the sheer nakedness of natural, physical, silent > consciousness, so as to pretend - full frontal fashionistas that we > are - to be " Something-or-other " for the world to see, NOT, NOT, NOT > because something is wrong, NOR that the " self " or " mind " is > operating incorrectly (as the faux enlightened advaitins might > incorrectly suggest), but something else entirely. > > Jump right in if you dare. According to Eckhart Tolle we are not going back to a pre-thought state like the animal kingdom live in, instead we are going beyond thought, into a state where thinking can still operate effectively and clearly when needed. Ken Wilber talks about twenty tenets which are tendencies of evolutionary system (Wilber says that the reader can probably find more to add [or subtract]): 1. Reality as a whole is not composed of things or processes, but of _holons_ /wholes that are parts of other wholes; e.g., whole atoms are parts of whole molecules, which are parts of whole cells, which are parts of whole organisms, and so on). 2. Holons display four fundamental capacities: (a) self-preservation (agency), (b) self-adaptation (communion), © self-transcendence (eros), and (d) self-dissolution (thanatos). 3. Holons emerge. 4. Holons emerge holarchially 5. Each emergent holon transcends but includes its predecessor(s). .... For more information about these tenets, see: http://www.esalenctr.org/display/confpage.cfm?confid=10 & pageid=113 & pgtype=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:01 AM Re: Full Frontal Fashion Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Physical, silent consciousness, is a genetic expression of what you > are - all the higher animals have their own unique expression (and > just how low one would have to go before some creature did not appear > to express some form of consciousness is unclear), and thus all lions > express that consciousness similarly, as do gazelles, giraffes, > rhinos, dogs, cats, monkeys, squirrels, rats, etc. > > Gazelles never act like giraffes, dogs never act like cats, and > squirrels never acts like rhinos - though, the thought *does* > certainly bring a smile... Only " humans " do not act like Humans > (capitalized, and without quotation marks), and that certainly brings > an even wider smile!! > > Humans, being part of the organic life on earth, and the highest > animal in that global biosphere, are all a genetic expression of what > they are, but there is something uniquely different about their > expressions, than even their nearest genetic relatives. > > And, obviously - for those who think about such things - it is due to > language, i.e., the conscious part of the brain, the cerebral cortex, > which is capable of thinking abstractly, symbolically, > metaphorically, and representing the external world as perceived in > it's entirety within the apparently limited confines of a 3 pound > mass of gray matter. > > And that is where humans differ - not only dramatically, but moreso - > from their nearest genetic relatives, who have no such capacity, and > don't even appear to be nearing the acquisition of such capacity. > Humans are eons ahead of even the apes, and they are probably eons > ahead of everything else. (While there is apparently nothing which is > eons ahead of mankind.) > > So, why would the biosphere - Life itself - need to make this unique > creature, totally unique on this planet, and for all anybody knows, > perhaps in the entire universe, and provide it with the capacity to > think, and talk amongst themselves, sharing information about the > world, that only they can? > > There are theories of course - and they abound - but they are all > just that. Individual evolution begins with a personal investigation, > using oneself as the object of study, regarding the one significant > question that any human can possibly ask: Why do I talk (so much, all > the time, non-stop, AD NAUSEUM!!) when my natural silent > consciousness is more than sufficient, and EVERYBODY (from swamis to > gurus to masters, etc., in all times) says in (really) no uncertain > terms: stop thought, stop thinking, stop talking... meditate, be > mindful, remember yourself, be present? > > That is, what is going on that, on the one hand, Life has created all > creatures - including man - with a degree of consciousness suitable > for their profitable existence, but only Mankind with something else, > which all of (supposed " more enlightened " ) humanity agrees is > something to stifle, stop, slow down, and eventually, shut down > entirely, in favor of changing the relationship between silent and > talking consciousness from 1%-99%, to 50%-50%, or even 100%-0%?? > > Jump right in if you dare. > You don't have a clue, but you might have some fun making stuff up. > > Here's a little hint/shove/push: > Talk covers the sheer nakedness of natural, physical, silent > consciousness, so as to pretend - full frontal fashionistas that we > are - to be " Something-or-other " for the world to see, NOT, NOT, NOT > because something is wrong, NOR that the " self " or " mind " is > operating incorrectly (as the faux enlightened advaitins might > incorrectly suggest), but something else entirely. > > Jump right in if you dare. According to Eckhart Tolle we are not going back to a pre-thought state like the animal kingdom live in, instead we are going beyond thought, into a state where thinking can still operate effectively and clearly when needed. Ken Wilber talks about twenty tenets which are tendencies of evolutionary system (Wilber says that the reader can probably find more to add [or subtract]): 1. Reality as a whole is not composed of things or processes, but of _holons_ /wholes that are parts of other wholes; e.g., whole atoms are parts of whole molecules, which are parts of whole cells, which are parts of whole organisms, and so on). 2. Holons display four fundamental capacities: (a) self-preservation (agency), (b) self-adaptation (communion), © self-transcendence (eros), and (d) self-dissolution (thanatos). 3. Holons emerge. 4. Holons emerge holarchially 5. Each emergent holon transcends but includes its predecessor(s). ... For more information about these tenets, see: http://www.esalenctr.org/display/confpage.cfm?confid=10 & pageid=113 & pgtype=1 Absolutely, As each part and parcel is seeing/seen as light (awareness) more light emerges, enlightening the 'whole', so to speak... there is much 'rresistance' though. And, as this is 'seen' through, the cycle continues.... a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Physical, silent consciousness, is a genetic expression of what you > are - all the higher animals have their own unique expression (and > just how low one would have to go before some creature did not appear > to express some form of consciousness is unclear), and thus all lions > express that consciousness similarly, as do gazelles, giraffes, > rhinos, dogs, cats, monkeys, squirrels, rats, etc. > > Gazelles never act like giraffes, dogs never act like cats, and > squirrels never acts like rhinos - though, the thought *does* > certainly bring a smile... Only " humans " do not act like Humans > (capitalized, and without quotation marks), and that certainly brings > an even wider smile!! > > Humans, being part of the organic life on earth, and the highest > animal in that global biosphere, are all a genetic expression of what > they are, but there is something uniquely different about their > expressions, than even their nearest genetic relatives. > > And, obviously - for those who think about such things - it is due to > language, i.e., the conscious part of the brain, the cerebral cortex, > which is capable of thinking abstractly, symbolically, > metaphorically, and representing the external world as perceived in > it's entirety within the apparently limited confines of a 3 pound > mass of gray matter. > > And that is where humans differ - not only dramatically, but moreso - > from their nearest genetic relatives, who have no such capacity, and > don't even appear to be nearing the acquisition of such capacity. > Humans are eons ahead of even the apes, and they are probably eons > ahead of everything else. (While there is apparently nothing which is > eons ahead of mankind.) > > So, why would the biosphere - Life itself - need to make this unique > creature, totally unique on this planet, and for all anybody knows, > perhaps in the entire universe, and provide it with the capacity to > think, and talk amongst themselves, sharing information about the > world, that only they can? > > There are theories of course - and they abound - but they are all > just that. Individual evolution begins with a personal investigation, > using oneself as the object of study, regarding the one significant > question that any human can possibly ask: Why do I talk (so much, all > the time, non-stop, AD NAUSEUM!!) when my natural silent > consciousness is more than sufficient, and EVERYBODY (from swamis to > gurus to masters, etc., in all times) says in (really) no uncertain > terms: stop thought, stop thinking, stop talking... meditate, be > mindful, remember yourself, be present? > > That is, what is going on that, on the one hand, Life has created all > creatures - including man - with a degree of consciousness suitable > for their profitable existence, but only Mankind with something else, > which all of (supposed " more enlightened " ) humanity agrees is > something to stifle, stop, slow down, and eventually, shut down > entirely, in favor of changing the relationship between silent and > talking consciousness from 1%-99%, to 50%-50%, or even 100%-0%?? > > Jump right in if you dare. > You don't have a clue, but you might have some fun making stuff up. > > Here's a little hint/shove/push: > Talk covers the sheer nakedness of natural, physical, silent > consciousness, so as to pretend - full frontal fashionistas that we > are - to be " Something-or-other " for the world to see, NOT, NOT, NOT > because something is wrong, NOR that the " self " or " mind " is > operating incorrectly (as the faux enlightened advaitins might > incorrectly suggest), but something else entirely. > > Jump right in if you dare. What if " consciousness " as experienced through humans...... is the best that Life has to offer? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.