Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not the > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can see that > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My thinking > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by observing > the fact that when something good happens in my life it has seldom > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking is most > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the incompetence of my > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but some > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence than my > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often feel not > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for yourself.........stop > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you can > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is to give > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then creation can > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > al. al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, until you started quoting him. I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with saving my life. Literally. I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when I saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I used to chauffer around NYC. I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he said, " Take it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that stuff anyway. " And the rest, as they say, is History. Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we > can > > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not the > > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can see > that > > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My > thinking > > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by > observing > > the fact that when something good happens in my life it has seldom > > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking is > most > > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the incompetence of > my > > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but some > > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence than my > > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often feel not > > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for yourself.........stop > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you can > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is to > give > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then creation > can > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > al. > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > until you started quoting him. > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with saving > my life. Literally. > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when I > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I used > to chauffer around NYC. > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he said, " Take > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that stuff > anyway. " > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds like he knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real form of awakening from which he spoke. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: >! > > > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for yourself.........stop > > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you can > > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is to > > give > > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then creation > > can > > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > > > al. > > > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > > until you started quoting him. > > > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with saving > > my life. Literally. > > > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when I > > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I used > > to chauffer around NYC. > > > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he said, " Take > > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that stuff > > anyway. " > > > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! > > The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds like he > knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real form of > awakening from which he spoke. > > al.>> That was my impression as well. Re-reading him now, will give me a whole new take on what he was saying, no doubt. His book certainly appeared in my life at just the right time. No surprise there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we > can > > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not the > > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can see > that > > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My > thinking > > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by > observing > > the fact that when something good happens in my life it has seldom > > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking is > most > > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the incompetence of > my > > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but some > > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence than my > > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often feel not > > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for yourself.........stop > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you can > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is to > give > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then creation > can > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > al. > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > until you started quoting him. > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with saving > my life. Literally. > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when I > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I used > to chauffer around NYC. > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he said, " Take > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that stuff > anyway. " > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, some-one, some place and time. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > some-one, some place and time. > > Ken devi: i have to ask....do you know the Supreme? that sri niz speaks of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we > > can > > > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not the > > > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can see > > that > > > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My > > thinking > > > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by > > observing > > > the fact that when something good happens in my life it has seldom > > > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking is > > most > > > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the incompetence of > > my > > > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but some > > > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence than my > > > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often feel not > > > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for yourself.........stop > > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you can > > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is to > > give > > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then creation > > can > > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > > > al. > > > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > > until you started quoting him. > > > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with saving > > my life. Literally. > > > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when I > > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I used > > to chauffer around NYC. > > > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he said, " Take > > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that stuff > > anyway. " > > > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! > > The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds like he > knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real form of > awakening from which he spoke. > > al. ** That's totally your construction, of course. To be aware/awake just means seeing that you're inventing/manufacturing a supposed event/reality with a an equally ficticious knower/observer of it-- a self that hopes/believes 'he' can awaken...whatever. And in the process, being unaware/ignorant of 'what is'--which can never be constructed/described/remembered/achieved. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > >! > > > > > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for > yourself.........stop > > > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you > can > > > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is > to > > > give > > > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then > creation > > > can > > > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > > > until you started quoting him. > > > > > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with > saving > > > my life. Literally. > > > > > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when > I > > > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I > used > > > to chauffer around NYC. > > > > > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he > said, " Take > > > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that > stuff > > > anyway. " > > > > > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > > > > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! > > > > The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds like he > > knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real form of > > awakening from which he spoke. > > > > al.>> > > That was my impression as well. Re-reading him now, will give me a > whole new take on what he was saying, no doubt. His book certainly > appeared in my life at just the right time. No surprise there. ** You got that right. In this world, intelligence tends to be what's suprising! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. > But we > > > can > > > > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not > the > > > > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can > see > > > that > > > > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My > > > thinking > > > > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by > > > observing > > > > the fact that when something good happens in my life it has > seldom > > > > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking > is > > > most > > > > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the > incompetence of > > > my > > > > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but > some > > > > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence > than my > > > > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often > feel not > > > > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > > > > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for > yourself.........stop > > > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you > can > > > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is > to > > > give > > > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then > creation > > > can > > > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > > > until you started quoting him. > > > > > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with > saving > > > my life. Literally. > > > > > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when > I > > > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I > used > > > to chauffer around NYC. > > > > > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he > said, " Take > > > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that > stuff > > > anyway. " > > > > > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > > > > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! > > > > The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds like he > > knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real form of > > awakening from which he spoke. > > > > al. > > ** That's totally your construction, of course. To be aware/awake > just > means seeing that you're inventing/manufacturing a supposed > event/reality with a an equally ficticious knower/observer > of it-- a self that hopes/believes 'he' can awaken...whatever. > > And in the process, being unaware/ignorant of 'what is'--which > can never be constructed/described/remembered/achieved. > > Ken Yes this is my subjective view. We can also have intersubjective views, such as " many people consider Ramana Maharshi to have been spiritually awaken " , or even objective views such as measuring wave patterns in the brain of a sage. But, of course, ultimately the only true evidence for spiritual awakening must be subjective from a first-hand perspective. Unfortenately I have no such first-hand view, so I can only suspect that Vernon Howard was talking from a true state of spiritual awakening, whatever that is. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > some-one, some place and time. > who, or what, is being fooled by the memory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > > > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > > some-one, some place and time. > > > > Ken > > devi: i have to ask....do you know the Supreme? that sri niz speaks of? ** Hi Devi: My answer would be no-- and no 'way' of knowing... If there's knowing, it's about the limitations of conceptualizing such so-called ultimates. I wouldn't say 'awareness' either, as that involves change. If it's always already or never-not the case, then how could we become aware of it? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. > > But we > > > > can > > > > > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is not > > the > > > > > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and can > > see > > > > that > > > > > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. My > > > > thinking > > > > > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see by > > > > observing > > > > > the fact that when something good happens in my life it has > > seldom > > > > > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my thinking > > is > > > > most > > > > > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the > > incompetence of > > > > my > > > > > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, but > > some > > > > > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence > > than my > > > > > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often > > feel not > > > > > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > > > > > > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for > > yourself.........stop > > > > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > > > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > > > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that you > > can > > > > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do is > > to > > > > give > > > > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then > > creation > > > > can > > > > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in years, > > > > until you started quoting him. > > > > > > > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with > > saving > > > > my life. Literally. > > > > > > > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, when > > I > > > > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine who I > > used > > > > to chauffer around NYC. > > > > > > > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he > > said, " Take > > > > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that > > stuff > > > > anyway. " > > > > > > > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > > > > > > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! > > > > > > The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds like he > > > knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real form of > > > awakening from which he spoke. > > > > > > al. > > > > ** That's totally your construction, of course. To be aware/awake > > just > > means seeing that you're inventing/manufacturing a supposed > > event/reality with a an equally ficticious knower/observer > > of it-- a self that hopes/believes 'he' can awaken...whatever. > > > > And in the process, being unaware/ignorant of 'what is'-- which > > can never be constructed/described/remembered/achieved. > > > > Ken > > Yes this is my subjective view. We can also have intersubjective > views, such as " many people consider Ramana Maharshi to have been > spiritually awaken " , or even objective views such as measuring wave > patterns in the brain of a sage. But, of course, ultimately the only > true evidence for spiritual awakening must be subjective from a > first-hand perspective. Unfortenately I have no such first-hand view, > so I can only suspect that Vernon Howard was talking from a true state > of spiritual awakening, whatever that is. > > al. ** 'First-hand' points to immediate, or un-mediated. So I would question the whole idea of 'evidence'-- whether it's called subjective, or objective. And then there's inquiry into 'intent.' That's where the ego-self hangs it hat, n'est-ce-pas? Why is one attempting to 'create' a someone who's in-the-know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " > <falkgw@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have > it. > > > But we > > > > > can > > > > > > sort of experiment with the idea that the thinking mind is > not > > > the > > > > > > highest state for humanity. I look at my own thinking and > can > > > see > > > > > that > > > > > > it is very limited. My " beliefs " crumble second by second. > My > > > > > thinking > > > > > > cannot give me a solid platform. This is very easy to see > by > > > > > observing > > > > > > the fact that when something good happens in my life it > has > > > seldom > > > > > > come as a result of my rational thinking. In fact, my > thinking > > > is > > > > > most > > > > > > of the time some kind of worrying. Having seen the > > > incompetence of > > > > > my > > > > > > own thinking I can turn to faith. Not true faith perhaps, > but > > > some > > > > > > sort of hoping that there must be some higher intelligence > > > than my > > > > > > conditioned thinking mind. People, including myself, often > > > feel not > > > > > > good enough, and maybe that is a very accurate observation! > > > > > > > > > > > > " ...stop trying to create a good world for > > > yourself.........stop > > > > > > trying to create _a_ world........which you will say is > > > > > > heaven............but it's not going to feel like > > > > > > heaven............Give up!.........abandon the idea that > you > > > can > > > > > > create anything for yourself..............What you can do > is > > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > up the phony illusion of being a creator.........and then > > > creation > > > > > can > > > > > > come to you....... " -- Vernon Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > al, I hadn't seen Vernon Howard's name pop up anywhere in > years, > > > > > until you started quoting him. > > > > > > > > > > I credit Vernon Howard's " Mystic Path to Cosmic Power " with > > > saving > > > > > my life. Literally. > > > > > > > > > > I was absolutely at the end of my rope about 20 years ago, > when > > > I > > > > > saw a copy of that book at the home of a customer of mine > who I > > > used > > > > > to chauffer around NYC. > > > > > > > > > > I said to the guy, " that book looks interesting, " and he > > > said, " Take > > > > > it. I bought it for my wife but she isn't interested in that > > > stuff > > > > > anyway. " > > > > > > > > > > And the rest, as they say, is History. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Vernon! Jai Guru! Jai Ma! > > > > > > > > The interesting thing with Vernon Howard is that he sounds > like he > > > > knew what he talked about. I suspect that he had some real > form of > > > > awakening from which he spoke. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > ** That's totally your construction, of course. To be > aware/awake > > > just > > > means seeing that you're inventing/manufacturing a supposed > > > event/reality with a an equally ficticious knower/observer > > > of it-- a self that hopes/believes 'he' can > awaken...whatever. > > > > > > And in the process, being unaware/ignorant of 'what is'-- > which > > > can never be constructed/described/remembered/achieved. > > > > > > Ken > > > > Yes this is my subjective view. We can also have intersubjective > > views, such as " many people consider Ramana Maharshi to have been > > spiritually awaken " , or even objective views such as measuring wave > > patterns in the brain of a sage. But, of course, ultimately the > only > > true evidence for spiritual awakening must be subjective from a > > first-hand perspective. Unfortenately I have no such first-hand > view, > > so I can only suspect that Vernon Howard was talking from a true > state > > of spiritual awakening, whatever that is. > > > > al. > > ** 'First-hand' points to immediate, or un-mediated. > So I would question the whole idea of 'evidence'-- > whether it's called subjective, or objective. > > And then there's inquiry into 'intent.' That's where the > ego-self hangs it hat, n'est-ce-pas? Why is one attempting > to 'create' a someone who's in-the-know? According to Ken Wilber, Spirit correlates to the Big Three: I, we, and its. 'I' is the first-hand experience of Spirit (which Wilber also calls the ground of being), 'we' is the intersubjective experience such as culture, and 'its' is the physical world of absolute locations. According to Wilber, higher states of consciousness can be measured as physical attributes/waves in the brain/body. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > > some-one, some place and time. > > > > who, or what, is being fooled by the memory? ** Where does the air go when a balloon is popped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > > > > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > > > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > > > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > > > some-one, some place and time. > > > > > > > who, or what, is being fooled by the memory? > > ** Where does the air go when a balloon is popped? One or two on this list will grasp what is being said here...... A few will squeal.....a few will throw stones....... The rest will pass right over ........asleep the wheel. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > > > > > > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > > > > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > > > > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > > > > some-one, some place and time. > > > > > > > > > > who, or what, is being fooled by the memory? > > > > ** Where does the air go when a balloon is popped? > > > > One or two on this list will grasp what is being said here...... > > A few will squeal.....a few will throw stones....... > > The rest will pass right over ........asleep the wheel. > > > > toombaru I have a strong mind so I can readily grasp that the air from the balloon _could_ end up at Judi's ranch, but that it could also end up elsewhere because the air will probably fly out in all kinds of directions. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > > > > > ** You're being fooled by a memory that seems to contain > > > a 'self' to which something happened. No substantiality > > > there--to any of that. Just an attempt to invent something, > > > some-one, some place and time. > > > > > > > who, or what, is being fooled by the memory? > > ** Where does the air go when a balloon is popped? when the air leaves, does the balloon die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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