Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Anna: Faith the absence of any belief/belief system Faithe (lol): No Anna, this is not " faith " . " Faith " is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Faith is NOT the absense of any belief/belief system but rather, IS the belief/belief system. Anna: the knowingness of the ONE-ness in which everything happens perfectly, without residue comparision, objection or separation. Faithe: What you have written above has been written over & over again, ad nauseum. Now tell me, Anna, in your own words what does it actually mean for you. I ask only because of your not understanding " faith " . Anna: an absolute intimacy with what Is. Faithe: Can there ever NOT be intimacy with " what IS " ? Anna: i have never really verablizd it before. thank you. a. Faithe: How do you feel now that you have finally verbalized it Anna? Do you have the courage to investigate further what you have written? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 - Faithe Arden Nisargadatta Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:35 AM Re: Re: Faith/Anna Faithe (lol): No Anna, this is not " faith " . " Faith " is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Faith is NOT the absense of any belief/belief system but rather, IS the belief/belief system. anna: ok, via negativa, via positiva--one coin, so to speak, two 'sides', sometimes even having more than two lol faith: the knowingness of the ONE-ness in which everything happens perfectly, without residue comparision, objection or separation. Faithe: What you have written above has been written over & over again, ad nauseum. Now tell me, Anna, in your own words what does it actually mean for you. I ask only because of your not understanding " faith " . Anna: ah so, you are not understanding my understanding? Ok. That always is 'seems to be the problem'. ad nauseum.... Anna: an absolute intimacy with what Is. Faithe: Can there ever NOT be intimacy with " what IS " ? Anna: True. Sometimes I just remind myself, ad nauseum... Deteriorating brain cells, you know:)) Anna: i have never really verablizd it before. thank you. a. Faithe: How do you feel now that you have finally verbalized it Anna? Do you have the courage to investigate further what you have written? Anna: what would you consider to be the 'further investigation of what is written' that woud correlate with my experience? I know what it has been for me, what is continuing to be. And that neither you nor any other 'talking head' can prove nor disprove.. For it is as it is; just this 'talking head' that has been identified as 'me' is seeing it.... (tis a cold blustery day here in my neck of the woods, this after near 70 a couple of days ago--how's it by you?) or This changes moment by moment..... Love, anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Hello, hello Anna........ Faithe (lol): No Anna, this is not " faith " . " Faith " is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Faith is NOT the absense of any belief/belief system but rather, IS the belief/belief system. anna: ok, via negativa, via positiva--one coin, so to speak, two 'sides', sometimes even having more than two lol Faithe: What does all this via negativa/positiva mean? I do not understand what you are saying. Is it a secret thing that only special initiates into the mystical are privy to understand? Anna: faith: the knowingness of the ONE-ness in which everything happens perfectly, without residue comparision, objection or separation. Faithe: Are you now saying that " faith is the knowingness...etc. " as written above? I am really, really interested to know what you think that above sentence means. Faithe: What you have written above has been written over & over again, ad nauseum. Now tell me, Anna, in your own words what does it actually mean for you. I ask only because of your not understanding " faith " . ************** Anna: ah so, you are not understanding my understanding? Ok. That always is 'seems to be the problem'. ad nauseum.... Faithe: I get the feeling that you have taken my " ad nauseum " statement personally. That was not the intention. I was merely bringing up the fact that I can read those words in thousands of books, online website, etc. Now what I would find very interesting is to hear what those words mean first hand to you...in your own words, not what has been rotely memorized. Why do you see it as a problem that I do not understand as you understand? Why are you reluctant to expand and share your understanding? Anna: an absolute intimacy with what Is. Faithe: Can there ever NOT be intimacy with " what IS " ? Anna: True. Sometimes I just remind myself, ad nauseum... Deteriorating brain cells, you know:)) Faithe: Why would you have to remind yourself? If it always is, what's to remind? Anna: i have never really verablizd it before. thank you. a. Faithe: How do you feel now that you have finally verbalized it Anna? Do you have the courage to investigate further what you have written? Anna: what would you consider to be the 'further investigation of what is written' that woud correlate with my experience? Faithe: It's merely a suggestion to look beyond the memorization and to glean the meaning. Is your experience nothing more than achieving great memorization skills of things you have read? Anna: I know what it has been for me, what is continuing to be. And that neither you nor any other 'talking head' can prove nor disprove.. For it is as it is; just this 'talking head' that has been identified as 'me' is seeing it.... Faithe: Do you think I am trying to disprove what you wrote? That is not true. I am merely interested in knowing what it is you actually believe the words you have written to mean. That's all. I am asking for additional clarification. Or, are we to just accept these wise words issued from your mouth with no further questions permitted? Anna: (tis a cold blustery day here in my neck of the woods, this after near 70 a couple of days ago--how's it by you?) Faithe: Funny you ask, I just wrote to a dear friend telling her what a beautiful day it is here. It is raining with a thick cloud cover. A day for listening. Anna: or This changes moment by moment..... Faithe: What?????? Love, anna Sharing, Faithe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Love, anna Sharing, Faithe no-thing more to say, as words are fillers.... ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Love, anna Sharing, Faithe Anna: no-thing more to say, as words are fillers.... Faithe: I now know. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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