Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Defining faith......is like capturing the shadows of minnows....... in a jar. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Defining faith......is like capturing the shadows of minnows....... in a jar. toombaru Faithe: Why do you think that? You make it seem as though defining faith is something difficult or impossible to do. I find it very easy. You have just added another belief to your shadow of minnows jar, Toomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Faithe Arden " <faithe@v...> wrote: > Defining faith......is like capturing the shadows of minnows....... in a jar. > > > > toombaru > > Faithe: > > Why do you think that? > > You make it seem as though defining > faith is something difficult or impossible > to do. I find it very easy. > > You have just added another belief to your > shadow of minnows jar, Toomy. Anything downstream from the assumption of an autonomous psychological center in which " faith " could occur.......is chasing shadows. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Anything downstream from the assumption of an autonomous psychological center in which " faith " could occur.......is chasing shadows. toombaru Dear Toomy, Following what you have said above, you can replace any word with " faith " and it would be chasing shadows. So how's a world of nothin but shadow chasing goin for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Faithe Arden " <faithe@v...> wrote: > Anything downstream from the assumption of an autonomous psychological center in > which " faith " could occur.......is chasing shadows. > > toombaru > > Dear Toomy, > > Following what you have said above, you > can replace any word with " faith " and it > would be chasing shadows. Indeed > > So how's a world of nothin but shadow > chasing goin for you? Everything's falling..into its self............. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Toomy: Anything downstream from the assumption of an autonomous psychological center in which " faith " could occur.......is chasing shadows. Faithe: > Dear Toomy, > > Following what you have said above, you > can replace any word with " faith " and it > would be chasing shadows. Toomey: Indeed Faithe: > So how's a world of nothin but shadow > chasing goin for you? Toomey: Everything's falling..into its self............. toombaru Faithe: This " falling into its self --where/what is this " self " that everything is falling into? What is this " everything " that you talk about? More shadow chasing Toomey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:21 AM > Re: Faith > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > If we want to have true faith we cannot pretend to have it. But we can > > > > > > > only when it rises of its own accord, without your will does it have > > any value. > > > > what to do till then? wait. > > > > spiritual practice is waiting, and getting used to your misery. then > > suddenly of its own accord misery vanishes and faith arises. > > I believe a leap must take place for spiritual awakening to happen. We > as a human species has gone from pre-thinking to thinking and are > heading into post-thinking. That leap is from thinking to intuition, > not from thinking back to instinct or having no free will. As Ken > Wilber says, evolution is about transcending _and_ embracing the > previous level of evolution. There is no " other " who can bring faith > about, yet thought can hardly transcend itself, but thought cannot be > left behind or dropped. Thought must be integrated into a higher state > (be trancended _and_ embraced). > > al. > > > > As thought is seen through (belief/belief systems in the repository of the brain as chemical interactions), one can see evolution-as-means being involution-as-means. > a. > ** Involution: the act of involving, the state of being involved. Sounds like a " me. " Is there a " me " in the sensation of " me " ? Or is it just a (chemical/electronic, etc.) brain-impression? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > As thought is seen through (belief/belief systems in the repository of the brain as chemical interactions), one can see evolution-as-means being involution-as-means. > a. > as applied physics advances, imo it will eventually be found that the brain is a quantum computer. the sense of self is built into the architecture of the universe at the quantum level. the living entity is a marvel. the whole universe is awake in the entity. the desire to be alive is inherent in the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Faithe Arden " <faithe@v...> wrote: > Toomy: > > Anything downstream from the assumption of an autonomous psychological center in > which " faith " could occur.......is chasing shadows. > > > > Faithe: > > > Dear Toomy, > > > > Following what you have said above, you > > can replace any word with " faith " and it > > would be chasing shadows. > > Toomey: > > Indeed > > Faithe: > > > So how's a world of nothin but shadow > > chasing goin for you? > > > Toomey: > > Everything's falling..into its self............. > > toombaru > > Faithe: > > This " falling into its self --where/what > is this " self " that everything is > falling into? Why Faithe.....it is the " I am " That is the only door in......and the only door out. What's inside you ask? Every thing What's outside you ask? Nothing > > What is this " everything " that you talk > about? The dream. > > More shadow chasing Toomey? > > > There is nothing but shadows. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 advaitin , " Durga " <durgaji108> wrote: > > > > So the meaning of the word shraddha is quite different > > from the meaning of the English 'faith.' Shraddha > > does not mean blind belief. It means listening with > > a certain attitude, because I have enough faith > > that this teacher and teaching can 'deliver the goods.' > > And it is that shraddha, that attitude, which allows > > the mind to be available in order to allow the pramana > > to work. > > > > This is what I have been taught. > > > > My pranams, Durga > > Additionally listening to the teacher with an attitude > of shraddha does not mean that one does not express > one's doubts. Expressing doubts, in order that they > be cleared, is a very important part of the teaching. > > So that is also another distinction between the > western concept of the English word 'faith.' > Faith, as in blind belief, allows for no doubts. > In those systems, which have the doctrine of > blind belief at their core, doubts come from the 'dark side,' > from evil, and have to be banished, and conquered > by the application of more blind belief, not answered > or addressed or cleared to one's satisfaction. > > (That is my two posts for today) > > Namaskar, > Durga Namaste Durga, You say 'this is what I have been taught', and I notice in our discussions recently, (see fwds to advaitajnana@ for a record), that you don't go beyond the teaching of what you have been personally taught by your Guru. Is that not blind faith? E.G...A person who hangs on to say dvaita and doesn't entertain at all advaita, ajativada or even visishtadvaita is using blind faith. I'm not discounting the usefulness of a Guru as Einstein 'said a fool learns from his own mistakes and wise man from everybody's'. However at some point the 'Inner Guru' has to be the ultimate and this is Sraddha. For here lies no interpretation but the ultimate Truth. Here we let go of our attachments to Gurus with form and their ideas, and work with out own Sraddha.....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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