Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/3/05 12:37:39 PM, sam_t_7 writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > If both dream and escape from dream are imaginings, what is > > > the > > > > way > > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > There is no need of a way out! Don't you see that a way out > > is > > > > also > > > > > > part of the dream? All you have to do is to see the dream as > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > If I start the practice of dismissing everything as a dream, > > > > where > > > > > > will it lead me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > Wherever it leads you, it will be a dream. The very idea of > > > going > > > > > > beyond the dream is illusory. Why go anywhere? Just realize > > > that > > > > you > > > > > > are dreaming a dream you call the world, and stop looking > > for > > > > ways > > > > > > out. The dream is not your problem. Your problem is that you > > > like > > > > > > one part of the dream and not another. When you have seen > > the > > > > dream > > > > > > as a dream, you have done all that needs be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > -from " I am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Even Maharaj wasn't above using bullshit as a > > > > teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: The cheapest trick in spirituality is to dismiss the > > > unpleasant > > > > and the troublesome usage of bullshit as a teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > P:If you call everything a dream, what meaning could the > > > word > > > > dream have? > > > > > > > > Sam: That's what everybody is searching for isn't it? Or trying > > > to > > > > explain. The meaning of the dream. The meaning of meaning. > > The > > > > more appropriate question may be to ask yourself, What happens > > > when > > > > you have seen the dream as a dream and therein have done all > > that > > > > needs to be done? (using nisargadattas terminology of *need* > > and > > > > *done*) > > > > > > > > > > > > Wei Wu Wei tells us that there is nothing outside of the dream. > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > > > How would he know? He's part of the dream himself. > > > > toombozo>> > > > > > Gary, > > > I know that....for an identified entity......what WWW says is a very uncomfortable thought. > > > If you find it disturbing.....try to let it soak in for a while........It can become almost unbearable. > > > > > toombaru>> Now even YOU are beginning to sound like a whiny little piglet. Why rely on WWW's understanding? Why don't you go get......... ............your own? toombozo>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " garyfalk1943 " <falkgw@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/3/05 12:37:39 PM, sam_t_7 writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > > If both dream and escape from dream are imaginings, what > is > > > > the > > > > > way > > > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > > There is no need of a way out! Don't you see that a way > out > > > is > > > > > also > > > > > > > part of the dream? All you have to do is to see the dream > as > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeker: > > > > > > > If I start the practice of dismissing everything as a > dream, > > > > > where > > > > > > > will it lead me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj Nis: > > > > > > > Wherever it leads you, it will be a dream. The very idea > of > > > > going > > > > > > > beyond the dream is illusory. Why go anywhere? Just > realize > > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > are dreaming a dream you call the world, and stop looking > > > for > > > > > ways > > > > > > > out. The dream is not your problem. Your problem is that > you > > > > like > > > > > > > one part of the dream and not another. When you have seen > > > the > > > > > dream > > > > > > > as a dream, you have done all that needs be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -from " I am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Even Maharaj wasn't above using bullshit as a > > > > > teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: The cheapest trick in spirituality is to dismiss the > > > > unpleasant > > > > > and the troublesome usage of bullshit as a teaching tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P:If you call everything a dream, what meaning could > the > > > > word > > > > > dream have? > > > > > > > > > > Sam: That's what everybody is searching for isn't it? Or > trying > > > > to > > > > > explain. The meaning of the dream. The meaning of meaning. > > > The > > > > > more appropriate question may be to ask yourself, What > happens > > > > when > > > > > you have seen the dream as a dream and therein have done all > > > that > > > > > needs to be done? (using nisargadattas terminology of *need* > > > and > > > > > *done*) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wei Wu Wei tells us that there is nothing outside of the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > > > > > How would he know? He's part of the dream himself. > > > > > > toombozo>> > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > I know that....for an identified entity......what WWW says is a > very uncomfortable thought. > > > > > > If you find it disturbing.....try to let it soak in for a > while........It can become almost unbearable. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru>> > > Now even YOU are beginning to sound like a whiny little piglet. > > Why rely on WWW's understanding? Why don't you go get......... > > ...........your own? > > toombozo>> Get my own understanding....... My very own personal understanding Take my little self out and get it some of its very own understanding. Hummmmmmmm Your naivete is showing...:=0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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