Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am talking about the emptiness that cuts through thoughts, > that cuts > > > > through all theories and forms of conceptualization, but which > itself > > > > cannot be said to be thoughts or emotions. > > > > > > > > > > but that can only happen of its own accord as it _has_ to be beyond > > > cause and effect. > > > > > > that is why it is called grace. > > > > > > > > Oh......I always wondered why they called it grace. > > > didn't you have it all sorted ? One cannot sort shadows. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > would > > > > > lessen > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. The world > > > and the > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging with > > > emptiness > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " is your > > > idea > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off into right > > > and > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same thought-construct > > > and it > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > emptiness > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what " you " > > > are? > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this insatiable need > > > to > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > realizes > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. They > > > carry on > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness that is > > > solid, > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. So the > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. The one > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, so that > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really is such > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > al. > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > It is the fooling. > > > toombaru But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be silly, wouldn't it? al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM Re: Merging with emptiness Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > would > > > > > lessen > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. The world > > > and the > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging with > > > emptiness > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " is your > > > idea > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off into right > > > and > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same thought-construct > > > and it > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > emptiness > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what " you " > > > are? > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this insatiable need > > > to > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > realizes > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. They > > > carry on > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness that is > > > solid, > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. So the > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. The one > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, so that > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really is such > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > al. > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > It is the fooling. > > > toombaru But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be silly, wouldn't it? al. ** where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? love, anna If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > > would > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. The world > > > > and the > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging with > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " is your > > > > idea > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off into right > > > > and > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same thought-construct > > > > and it > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > > emptiness > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what " you " > > > > are? > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this insatiable need > > > > to > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > > realizes > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. They > > > > carry on > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness that is > > > > solid, > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. So the > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. The one > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, so that > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really is such > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > toombaru > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > silly, wouldn't it? > > al. > > > > > > ** > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > love, > anna > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:42 AM Re: Merging with emptiness Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > > would > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. The world > > > > and the > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging with > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " is your > > > > idea > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off into right > > > > and > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same thought-construct > > > > and it > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > > emptiness > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what " you " > > > > are? > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this insatiable need > > > > to > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > > realizes > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. They > > > > carry on > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness that is > > > > solid, > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. So the > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. The one > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, so that > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really is such > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > toombaru > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > silly, wouldn't it? > > al. > > > > > > ** > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > love, > anna > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. al. ** Yes. This freedom is only in the moment to moment-ness of Being. No-thing else in the Way. If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > > would > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. The world > > > > and the > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging with > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " is your > > > > idea > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off into right > > > > and > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same thought-construct > > > > and it > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > > emptiness > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what " you " > > > > are? > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this insatiable need > > > > to > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > > realizes > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. They > > > > carry on > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness that is > > > > solid, > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. So the > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. The one > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, so that > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really is such > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > toombaru > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > silly, wouldn't it? > > al. indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > > > would > > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. > The world > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging > with > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " > is your > > > > > idea > > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off > into right > > > > > and > > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same > thought-construct > > > > > and it > > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what > " you " > > > > > are? > > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this > insatiable need > > > > > to > > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > > > realizes > > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. > They > > > > > carry on > > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness > that is > > > > > solid, > > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. > So the > > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. > The one > > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, > so that > > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really > is such > > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > > silly, wouldn't it? > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > > > love, > > anna > > > > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. > > al. Then try giving it up. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > > > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the world would > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. > > The world > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging > > with > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " > > is your > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off > > into right > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same > > thought-construct > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you " merge " with > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what > > " you " > > > > > > are? > > > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this > > insatiable need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized non-seeker* > > > > > > realizes > > > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. > > They > > > > > > carry on > > > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind thoughts and > > > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness > > that is > > > > > > solid, > > > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to hide-- > > > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. > > So the > > > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. > > The one > > > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, > > so that > > > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really > > is such > > > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > > > silly, wouldn't it? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > > > > > love, > > > anna > > > > > > > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. > > > > al. > > > Then try giving it up. > > > toombaru My free will is limited by the boundaries set by nature. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > anders_lindman > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > > > > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " > <kenj02001> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " > <sam_t_7> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the > world would > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. > > > The world > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging > > > with > > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " > > > is your > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off > > > into right > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same > > > thought-construct > > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you > " merge " with > > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what > > > " you " > > > > > > > are? > > > > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this > > > insatiable need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized > non-seeker* > > > > > > > realizes > > > > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. > > > They > > > > > > > carry on > > > > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind > thoughts and > > > > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness > > > that is > > > > > > > solid, > > > > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and > emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to > hide-- > > > > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. > > > So the > > > > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. > > > The one > > > > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, > > > so that > > > > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really > > > is such > > > > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > > > > silly, wouldn't it? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > > > > > > > love, > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Then try giving it up. > > > > > > toombaru > > > My free will is limited by the boundaries set by nature. > > al. Limited free will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > anders_lindman > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > > > > > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " > > <kenj02001> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " > > <sam_t_7> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the > > world would > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong idea. > > > > The world > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. Merging > > > > with > > > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. " wrong " > > > > is your > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off > > > > into right > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same > > > > thought-construct > > > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you > > " merge " with > > > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge with what > > > > " you " > > > > > > > > are? > > > > > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this > > > > insatiable need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized > > non-seeker* > > > > > > > > realizes > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek after. > > > > They > > > > > > > > carry on > > > > > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind > > thoughts and > > > > > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an emptiness > > > > that is > > > > > > > > solid, > > > > > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and > > emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in the midst > > > > > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to > > hide-- > > > > > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of suffering. > > > > So the > > > > > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I suspect. > > > > The one > > > > > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of fear, > > > > so that > > > > > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there really > > > > is such > > > > > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that would be > > > > > silly, wouldn't it? > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > Then try giving it up. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > My free will is limited by the boundaries set by nature. > > > > al. > > > > Limited free will? Yes, free will must be limited, or else there would be no duality and therefore no experiencing of a world. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > anders_lindman > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:31 AM > > > > > > Re: Merging with emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " > > > <kenj02001> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " > > > <sam_t_7> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote in another post that melting into the > > > world would > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > lessen > > > > > > > > > > > > inner conflict. But that was probably a wrong > idea. > > > > > The world > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > me are essentially the same thought-construct. > Merging > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > > would probably be a better way to lessen inner > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam: There is no such thing as a wrong idea. > " wrong " > > > > > is your > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > which perpetuates your belief system - splitting off > > > > > into right > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > wrong - struggle and conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the world and you are essentially the same > > > > > thought-construct > > > > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > > > all essentially is emptiness then how can you > > > " merge " with > > > > > > > > > emptiness > > > > > > > > > > > if you already " are " " it " ? How can you merge > with what > > > > > " you " > > > > > > > > > are? > > > > > > > > > > > Therein lies your conflict and struggle - this > > > > > insatiable need > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > merge and seek into something. The *realized > > > non-seeker* > > > > > > > > > realizes > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing to merge into - nothing to seek > after. > > > > > They > > > > > > > > > carry on > > > > > > > > > > > the dream now with a twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The emptiness I am talking about is hidden behind > > > thoughts and > > > > > > > > > > emotions, waiting to be merged with. It is an > emptiness > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > solid, > > > > > > > > > > changeless and which cuts through all thoughts and > > > emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** It's not waiting, it's not doing anything, it's not > > > > > > > > > behind or beyond anything. It's right here in > the midst > > > > > > > > > of all that appears/dissappears, timelessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not hiding, either, but what a great place to > > > hide-- > > > > > > > > > as *total open.* ;=) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, waiting is a form of emotion, even a form of > suffering. > > > > > So the > > > > > > > > one who is waiting is the emotion of waiting itself I > suspect. > > > > > The one > > > > > > > > who is hiding is also a form of emotion, an outcrop of > fear, > > > > > so that > > > > > > > > too is a form of suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will 'meditate' further on emptiness to see if there > really > > > > > is such > > > > > > > > a thing or if I am fooling myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot fool itself..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the fooling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > But what about my free will? If I had no free will, that > would be > > > > > > silly, wouldn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where was your free will when you became 'you' and not 'me'? > > > > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I know is that I now have what feels like free will. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then try giving it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > My free will is limited by the boundaries set by nature. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Limited free will? > > Yes, free will must be limited, or else there would be no duality and > therefore no experiencing of a world. > > al. It is not the " entity " that experiences. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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