Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Pedsie2@a... wrote: > When I say I'm an unbeliever, I mean > I neither belief God exist, nor that God > doesn't exist. > > I realize that any belief regarding God, or > any other Cosmic being is useless. Beliefs > and wishes do not alter reality. To think > they do, is to belief in magic, to belief our > thoughts and desires even when un-translated > into actions could, somehow, alter reality. > > Beliefs are like a good armchair, they only > offer comfort, not security. Don't place > your armchair on the railroad track. > > Pete > Are you an unbeliever, or is the unbeliever/unbelieving in you just a meme that can be altered or replaced by another meme at any moment? al. P: Worrying about the future again, Al? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > When I say I'm an unbeliever, I mean > > I neither belief God exist, nor that God > > doesn't exist. > > > > I realize that any belief regarding God, or > > any other Cosmic being is useless. Beliefs > > and wishes do not alter reality. To think > > they do, is to belief in magic, to belief our > > thoughts and desires even when un-translated > > into actions could, somehow, alter reality. > > > > Beliefs are like a good armchair, they only > > offer comfort, not security. Don't place > > your armchair on the railroad track. > > > > Pete > > > > > Are you an unbeliever, or is the unbeliever/unbelieving in you just a > meme that can be altered or replaced by another meme at any moment? > > al. > > P: Worrying about the future again, Al? I don't. > Is it really possible to not worry about the future? Maybe you are just repressing the future and the worry is still there but hidden (a numbed cramp manifested as a physical and psychological straightjacket)? Are you experiencing a _tremendous_ freedom in you actions, what you can do and how to behave? If not, then there is still worrying about the future in you. Only when there is _total_ freedom in what to do is there true absence of worrying about the future. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:36 PM Re: The Unbeliever Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > When I say I'm an unbeliever, I mean > I neither belief God exist, nor that God > doesn't exist. > > I realize that any belief regarding God, or > any other Cosmic being is useless. Beliefs > and wishes do not alter reality. To think > they do, is to belief in magic, to belief our > thoughts and desires even when un-translated > into actions could, somehow, alter reality. > > Beliefs are like a good armchair, they only > offer comfort, not security. Don't place > your armchair on the railroad track. > > Pete > Are you an unbeliever, or is the unbeliever/unbelieving in you just a meme that can be altered or replaced by another meme at any moment? al. the lie is in the beLIEving in the Knowing there is no one to beLIEve... ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/5/05 12:32:23 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > Al:is it really possible to not worry about the future? > > > P: Yes. I have no future. I used all up. Extraordinary! > > > Al: Maybe you are > > just repressing the future and the worry is still there but hidden (a > > numbed cramp manifested as a physical and psychological > > straightjacket)? > > > P: Represing the future? That's a new one! You're really in trouble. Hmm... I wonder if you have really understood what the future actually is. The future is the _past_ extrapolated. So repression of the future is caused by the illusion of separation between what one could do and should do, which creates fear. > > > Are you experiencing a _tremendous_ freedom in you > > actions, what you can do and how to behave? > > > P: Yes! That's easy for me. I'm old, I'm retire. I do want I want, > or want what I do. Death is my future, Al, but that date doesn't > worry me a bit. Think of it this way, death, is the only adventure > the old and the sick are perfectly fit to tackle. Ram Dass said that he thought that death will be the ultimate LSD trip, or something like that. But your mentioning of being old as an excuse for feeling liberation only seems like a phony liberation to me. With true liberation, _extatic_ freedom, there can simply be no personal age. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/5/05 9:23:28 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > Ram Dass said that he thought that death will be the ultimate LSD > > trip, or something like that. But your mentioning of being old as > > an excuse for feeling liberation only seems like a phony liberation to > > me. With true liberation, _extatic_ freedom, there can simply be no > > personal age. > > > > al. > > > > P; Al, excuse, is your word. Age is not a sadhanna, but it sure aids > in liberating from desire, and fears. I'm not the first one, to say so, > Confucius recommended no one should try to reach enlightenment > before sixty, and Bernadette Robert has said she has met many > elderly people who seem to have reached a state of union as a result > of being over eighty. Well, I'm only in my late sixties, so too young > to have reached union by natural aging..... just like cheese. ) > And like Whiskey! But we can also look at time as nonlinear, i.e. the closer time is to the present moment, the more dense/solid it is. This means that with this psychological trick, a week one year ago is much much shorter than last week. One minute yesterday is much shorter than the last minute. The year 2003 is much, much shorter than the year 2004. A millenium two thousand years ago is much much shorter than last millenium. We can imagine the last second being as long as last millenium. Another metaphore is to say that time has weight. The weight of the last second is 1.0. The weight of the second before that is 0.5 and the second before that is 0.25. The mass center is the present moment and around it (past to the left, and future to the right) mass decreases rapidly. The universe is _one_ huge quantum wave function. If there were two quantum wave funtions, then there must exist some third function to connect these two wave function into the same reality. The one quantum wave function is ageless. There is an appearance of aging taking place in physical matter, but that's 'just' an appearance. It's all a virtual reality simulation. It's all Maya. There is no solid matter. Only the present moment is solid, so time is not only a nonlinear function; it is Dirac delta function (all mass in the present moment). al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/5/05 10:41:07 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > And like Whiskey! But we can also look at time as nonlinear, i.e. > > the closer time is to the present moment, the more dense/solid it is. > > This means that with this psychological trick, a week one year ago is > > much much shorter than last week. One minute yesterday is much shorter > > than the last minute. The year 2003 is much, much shorter than the > > year 2004. A millenium two thousand years ago is much much shorter > > than last millenium. We can imagine the last second being as long as > > last millenium. Another metaphore is to say that time has weight. The > > weight of the last second is 1.0. The weight of the second before that > > is 0.5 and the second before that is 0.25. The mass center is the > > present moment and around it (past to the left, and future to the > > right) mass decreases rapidly. > > > > The universe is _one_ huge quantum wave function. If there were two > > quantum wave funtions, then there must exist some third function to > > connect these two wave function into the same reality. The one quantum > > wave function is ageless. There is an appearance of aging taking place > > in physical matter, but that's 'just' an appearance. It's all a > > virtual reality simulation. It's all Maya. There is no solid matter. > > Only the present moment is solid, so time is not only a nonlinear > > function; it is Dirac delta function (all mass in the present moment). > > > > al. > > > > > > P: Rubish! Your head is a rubish bin. And contains not the kind of > rubish one can recycle. > It's not the kind that decays and feeds plants ,either. It's that kind which > pollutes > and poisons the air. > > Your short-term memory is not the same as your long-term memory. I will rewire your brain. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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