Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to the world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your knowledge and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You are like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense you are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the world _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. Thus your view of the world _is_ the world. All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. Imagine this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a flat slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into the dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out line in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has been cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego separating one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to the > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your knowledge > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You are > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense you > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the world > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. Thus > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. Imagine > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a flat > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into the > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out line > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has been > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego separating > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > al. The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. It is the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and knowledge are gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human being is jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind is the cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the dough up in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the dough, is very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. From this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of different kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, when you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the cookie cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This cutting out process is very fast. When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are going to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will then find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and persons. By relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean instead of the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ changed in the world? al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to the > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your knowledge > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You are > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense you > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the world > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. Thus > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. Imagine > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a flat > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into the > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out line > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has been > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego separating > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > al. > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. It is > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and knowledge are > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human being is > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind is the > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the dough up > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the dough, is > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. From > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of different > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, when > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the cookie > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This cutting > out process is very fast. > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are going > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will then > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and persons. By > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean instead of > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > changed in the world? > > al. These are all empty words . In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. You think that you exist in the world as a human being? Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you nowhere. TALK,TALK,TALK. Hiladur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 In a message dated 4/12/05 7:14:35 AM, cptc writes: > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > toombaru > > > P: Didn't that theory come from a mind theorizing about itself? Yeap! So it most be irrational too. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 In a message dated 4/12/05 8:07:07 AM, cptc writes: > Stacking shadows......adds nothing to their height. > > > toombaru > > P: That could be true, provided, you could lift shadows to stack them. Tell us your method of shadow lifting. Has shadow lifting made you look like Arnold the terminator governator? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to > the > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > knowledge > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You > are > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense > you > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the > world > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. > Thus > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > Imagine > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > flat > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into > the > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > line > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > been > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > separating > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > al. > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. It is > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and knowledge are > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human being > is > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind is the > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the dough up > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the dough, > is > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > From > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > different > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > when > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > cookie > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This cutting > > out process is very fast. > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > going > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will then > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and persons. > By > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean instead of > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > changed in the world? > > > > al. > > > > These are all empty words . > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > nowhere. > TALK,TALK,TALK. > Hiladur Hi Hiladur, All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to > > the > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > knowledge > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You > > are > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense > > you > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the > > world > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. > > Thus > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > Imagine > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > flat > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into > > the > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > line > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > been > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > separating > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. It is > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and knowledge are > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human being > > is > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind is the > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the dough up > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the dough, > > is > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > From > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > different > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > when > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > cookie > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This cutting > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > going > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will then > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and persons. > > By > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean instead of > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > nowhere. > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > Hiladur > > > Hi Hiladur, > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > al. Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to > > > the > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > knowledge > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You > > > are > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense > > > you > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the > > > world > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. > > > Thus > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > > Imagine > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > > flat > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into > > > the > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > > line > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > > been > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > separating > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. It is > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and knowledge are > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human being > > > is > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind is the > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the dough up > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the dough, > > > is > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > > From > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > different > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > > when > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > > cookie > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This cutting > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > > going > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will then > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and persons. > > > By > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean instead of > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > nowhere. > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > Hiladur > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > al. > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > toombaru Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual theories. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are > connected to > > > > the > > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. > You > > > > are > > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this > sense > > > > you > > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about > the > > > > world > > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes > everything you > > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't > know. > > > > Thus > > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > > > Imagine > > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > > > flat > > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it > into > > > > the > > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > > > line > > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > > > been > > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > > separating > > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. > It is > > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and > knowledge are > > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human > being > > > > is > > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind > is the > > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the > dough up > > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the > dough, > > > > is > > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > > > From > > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > > different > > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > > > when > > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > > > cookie > > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This > cutting > > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > > > going > > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will > then > > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and > persons. > > > > By > > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean > instead of > > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > > nowhere. > > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > > Hiladur > > > > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > > > > toombaru > > Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and > spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in > physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends > and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than > biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so > theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful > way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than > psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about > psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual theories. > > al. Stacking shadows......adds nothing to their height. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are > > connected to > > > > > the > > > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. > > You > > > > > are > > > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this > > sense > > > > > you > > > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes > > everything you > > > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't > > know. > > > > > Thus > > > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > > > > Imagine > > > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > > > > flat > > > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it > > into > > > > > the > > > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > > > > line > > > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > > > > been > > > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > > > separating > > > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. > > It is > > > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and > > knowledge are > > > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human > > being > > > > > is > > > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind > > is the > > > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the > > dough up > > > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the > > dough, > > > > > is > > > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > > > > From > > > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > > > different > > > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > > > > when > > > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > > > > cookie > > > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This > > cutting > > > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > > > > going > > > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will > > then > > > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and > > persons. > > > > > By > > > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean > > instead of > > > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > > > nowhere. > > > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > > > Hiladur > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > > > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > > > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and > > spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in > > physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends > > and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than > > biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so > > theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful > > way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than > > psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about > > psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual theories. > > > > al. > > > > > > Stacking shadows......adds nothing to their height. > > > toombaru Every form of theory will be more or less stacking shadows when it comes to explain That in which all phenomena appear. But theories can explain how That operates. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/12/05 8:07:07 AM, cptc@w... writes: > > > > Stacking shadows......adds nothing to their height. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > P: That could be true, provided, you could lift shadows > to stack them. Tell us your method of shadow lifting. > Has shadow lifting made you look like Arnold the terminator > governator? ) Stacking shadows........rearranging concepts....theories about theories......ideas about ideas.................... Self-referential-hall-of-mirrors. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:55 AM Re: The ego cookie Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are connected to > > > the > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > knowledge > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. You > > > are > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this sense > > > you > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about the > > > world > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes everything you > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't know. > > > Thus > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > > Imagine > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > > flat > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it into > > > the > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > > line > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > > been > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > separating > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. It is > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and knowledge are > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human being > > > is > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind is the > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the dough up > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the dough, > > > is > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > > From > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > different > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > > when > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > > cookie > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This cutting > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > > going > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will then > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and persons. > > > By > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean instead of > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > nowhere. > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > Hiladur > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > al. > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > toombaru Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual theories. al. ** T If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: Hi Al, That is, as long as one continues delineating " levels " . All is spirituality, Al or no-thing Is. Healing all pieces/parts begins with ending the theories of 'differences' and using 'consciousness-of " as point. Love, Anna /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:55 AM > Re: The ego cookie > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are > connected to > > > > the > > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. > You > > > > are > > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this > sense > > > > you > > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about > the > > > > world > > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes > everything you > > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't > know. > > > > Thus > > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > > > Imagine > > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > > > flat > > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it > into > > > > the > > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > > > line > > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > > > been > > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > > separating > > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. > It is > > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and > knowledge are > > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human > being > > > > is > > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind > is the > > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the > dough up > > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the > dough, > > > > is > > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > > > From > > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > > different > > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > > > when > > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > > > cookie > > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This > cutting > > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > > > going > > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will > then > > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and > persons. > > > > By > > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean > instead of > > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > > nowhere. > > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > > Hiladur > > > > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > > > > toombaru > > Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and > spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in > physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends > and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than > biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so > theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful > way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than > psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about > psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual theories. > > al. > > > > > > ** > T > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > Hi Al, > > That is, as long as one continues delineating " levels " . All is spirituality, Al or no-thing Is. > > Healing all pieces/parts begins with ending the theories of 'differences' and using 'consciousness-of " as point. > > Love, > Anna > Ken Wilber has an interesting approach to this. He says that Spirit is the highest level but since there is nothing higher, Spirit also embraces and is everything both dual and nondual. (If I have understood his theory correctly) al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:06 PM Re: The ego cookie Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:55 AM > Re: The ego cookie > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are > connected to > > > > the > > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. > You > > > > are > > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this > sense > > > > you > > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about > the > > > > world > > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes > everything you > > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't > know. > > > > Thus > > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one whole. > > > > Imagine > > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the world, as a > > > > flat > > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it > into > > > > the > > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the cut out > > > > line > > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure that has > > > > been > > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > > separating > > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. > It is > > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually motionless, and > > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and > knowledge are > > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human > being > > > > is > > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling like an > > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind > is the > > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the > dough up > > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the > dough, > > > > is > > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost inert. > > > > From > > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > > different > > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For example, > > > > when > > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then the > > > > cookie > > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This > cutting > > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, with the > > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously you are > > > > going > > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will > then > > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and > persons. > > > > By > > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will begin to > > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean > instead of > > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has _really_ > > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your mind? > > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > > nowhere. > > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > > Hiladur > > > > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many mystics > > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary thinking > > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > > > > toombaru > > Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and > spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in > physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends > and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than > biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so > theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful > way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than > psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about > psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual theories. > > al. > > > > > > ** > T > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > Hi Al, > > That is, as long as one continues delineating " levels " . All is spirituality, Al or no-thing Is. > > Healing all pieces/parts begins with ending the theories of 'differences' and using 'consciousness-of " as point. > > Love, > Anna > Ken Wilber has an interesting approach to this. He says that Spirit is the highest level but since there is nothing higher, Spirit also embraces and is everything both dual and nondual. (If I have understood his theory correctly) al. Isn't all theory on/of/about Consciousness, the alpha and omega of This? We human Beings obtaiin a great deal of entertainment and enjoyment, not to mention, earning our daily bread in seeking routes and forms to encapsulate This, forever moving into more Unknown, (you've heard of Einstein's theory of the Unknown?). And then indoctrinating one another of our amazing feats of 'understandings'. )) anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:55 AM > > Re: The ego cookie > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hiladur2 " > <hiladur2> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You exist as a human being in the world. And you are > > connected to > > > > > the > > > > > > > world. In your mind your are aware of this connection. Your > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and perception of the world is your connection to the world. > > You > > > > > are > > > > > > > like a center and the world appears all around you. In this > > sense > > > > > you > > > > > > > are the whole world. Just think about it; all you know about > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > _is_ the world from your perspective. This includes > > everything you > > > > > > > don't know about the world but that you know that you don't > > know. > > > > > Thus > > > > > > > your view of the world _is_ the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this knowledge and perception of the world is one > whole. > > > > > Imagine > > > > > > > this whole set of knowledge, your knowledge of the > world, as a > > > > > flat > > > > > > > slab of cookie dough. Then take a cookie cutter and press it > > into > > > > > the > > > > > > > dough. There you have the ego, which is nothing but the > cut out > > > > > line > > > > > > > in the dough. You believe that your self is the figure > that has > > > > > been > > > > > > > cut out, but that figure only exists when you have an ego > > > > > separating > > > > > > > one area of the cookie dough from the rest of the dough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > The cookie dough in this illustration is essentially memories. > > It is > > > > > > the frozen past. The slab of memories is virtually > motionless, and > > > > > > changes only slowly, gradually, as new experiences and > > knowledge are > > > > > > gathered in a human being. How come then the mind of a human > > being > > > > > is > > > > > > jittery as a june bug, shaking like a dry leaf, tumbling > like an > > > > > > acrobat all over the place? The answer is that the human mind > > is the > > > > > > cookie cutter, not the dough. The mind frantically cuts the > > dough up > > > > > > in all kinds of ways. Reality, represented by the past, the > > dough, > > > > > is > > > > > > very serene, very stable, very solid and very calm; almost > inert. > > > > > From > > > > > > this stable mass the cookie cutter creates a vast number of > > > > > different > > > > > > kinds of mental images by cutting in different ways. For > example, > > > > > when > > > > > > you are thinking of a teacher you had back in school, then > the > > > > > cookie > > > > > > cutter cuts out the information related to the teacher. This > > cutting > > > > > > out process is very fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you identify yourself with the process of cutting, > with the > > > > > > cookie cutter instead of with the dough, then obviously > you are > > > > > going > > > > > > to be very suspectible and sensitive to disturbances. You will > > then > > > > > > find yourself to be threatened by all kinds of things and > > persons. > > > > > By > > > > > > relaxing this frantic cookie cutter in action, you will > begin to > > > > > > experience yourself as more solid, more like a deep ocean > > instead of > > > > > > the fragile storm-whipped foam on the surface. > > > > > > > > > > > > As yourself: from one second to the next, how much has > _really_ > > > > > > changed in the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all empty words . > > > > > In everything that is said I see your personal points of view. > > > > > You think that you exist in the world as a human being? > > > > > Isn't more appropriate to say that the human being exists in > > > > > the world?But where does the world exists? In YOU or in your > mind? > > > > > If in your mind,then whos mind is it.Is it the Self's mind? > > > > > It all comes back to the question WHO AM I ? Doesn't it? > > > > > You can come up with all kinds of theories,but won't get you > > > > > nowhere. > > > > > TALK,TALK,TALK. > > > > > Hiladur > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Hiladur, > > > > > > > > All theories have to be tested. Of course the thing I wrote about > > > > feeling like a deep ocean is very speculative. However, many > mystics > > > > experience a stillness that is much deeper than the ordinary > thinking > > > > mind. This is, I believe, a result of relaxing the mind. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > Any theory that mind imagines about its self is irrational. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Theories exist at different levels: physics, biology, psychology, and > > spirituality. In biology theoris about physics can be used, but in > > physics theories about biology cannot be used. Each level transcends > > and includes the lower levels. Psychology is on a level higher than > > biology and physics, but it is closer to biology than to physics, so > > theories about biology can be used in psychology in a more meaningful > > way than theories about physics. Spirituality is higher than > > psychology (at least according to Ken Wilber). Theories about > > psychology (the science of the mind) can be used in spiritual > theories. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > T > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > > That is, as long as one continues delineating " levels " . All is > spirituality, Al or no-thing Is. > > > > Healing all pieces/parts begins with ending the theories of > 'differences' and using 'consciousness-of " as point. > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > Ken Wilber has an interesting approach to this. He says that Spirit is > the highest level but since there is nothing higher, Spirit also > embraces and is everything both dual and nondual. (If I have > understood his theory correctly) > > al. " Mind " is a splitter-upper.......not a gluer-togatherer. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > .... > > > > Isn't all theory on/of/about Consciousness, the alpha and omega of This? We human > Beings obtaiin a great deal of entertainment and enjoyment, not to mention, earning our daily bread in seeking routes and forms to encapsulate This, forever moving into more Unknown, (you've heard of Einstein's theory of the Unknown?). And then indoctrinating one another of our amazing feats of 'understandings'. )) > > anna > I see theories as being things about things. A theory is more or less a thing and can only deal with things (separate objects or phenomena). But no theory will ever embrace This because This is what the theory exists within. Even to say Consciousness is a theory. To say nondual is a theory. Theories have their place, and can gives us more and more understanding of how This operates, but can never describe This itself. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: .... > > > " Mind " is a splitter-upper.......not a gluer-togatherer. > > > > toombaru That could be right! " A splinter in the mind " is perhaps not a valid expression. The mind is perhaps the splinter in the no-mind. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > > Isn't all theory on/of/about Consciousness, the alpha and omega of > This? We human > > Beings obtaiin a great deal of entertainment and enjoyment, not to > mention, earning our daily bread in seeking routes and forms to > encapsulate This, forever moving into more Unknown, (you've heard of > Einstein's theory of the Unknown?). And then indoctrinating one > another of our amazing feats of 'understandings'. )) > > > > anna > > > > > I see theories as being things about things. A theory is more or less > a thing and can only deal with things (separate objects or phenomena). > But no theory will ever embrace This because This is what the theory > exists within. Even to say Consciousness is a theory. To say nondual > is a theory. Theories have their place, and can gives us more and more > understanding of how This operates, but can never describe This itself. > > al. Yes....but that's just another theory. Thought is just not up to the job......and thought is the only tool. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > ... > > > > > > " Mind " is a splitter-upper.......not a gluer-togatherer. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > That could be right! " A splinter in the mind " is perhaps not a valid > expression. The mind is perhaps the splinter in the no-mind. > > al. See there........It just split itself...into " mind " and " no mind " ........... It just can't help doin that....:-)(-: toombaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > That could be right! " A splinter in the mind " is perhaps not a valid > > expression. The mind is perhaps the splinter in the no-mind. > > > > al. > > > See there........It just split itself...into " mind " and " no mind " ........... > > It just can't help doin that....:-)(-: Don't you really mean: " See there? I just split myself into awareness and unawareness... I just can't help doin that....:-)(-: " Sir, WHY can't you help continually falling asleep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > That could be right! " A splinter in the mind " is perhaps not a > valid > > > expression. The mind is perhaps the splinter in the no-mind. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > See there........It just split itself...into " mind " and " no > mind " ........... > > > > It just can't help doin that....:-)(-: > > Don't you really mean: > > " See there? I just split myself into awareness and unawareness... I > just can't help doin that....:-)(-: " > > Sir, WHY can't you help continually falling asleep? Sir.......There is no " one " to fall asleep....or wake up. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > > > Sir, WHY can't you help continually falling asleep? > > Sir.......There is no " one " to fall asleep....or wake up. > Again, words pushing around other words changing only the context, and saying nothing. It's not that I fall asleep or YOU wake up, it's more that, someone is aware of what's going on that leads some humans to want to wake up from the word-games, and word-plays that passes for being a human, rather than just accepting the subterfuge. Do you actually believe you're alive, because your mouth operates on it's own, and your fingers operate on their own, and your legs operate on their own? If so, then that's what being asleep is about - thinking you're alive with no evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, WHY can't you help continually falling asleep? > > > > Sir.......There is no " one " to fall asleep....or wake up. > > > > Again, words pushing around other words changing only the context, > and saying nothing. > > It's not that I fall asleep or YOU wake up, it's more that, someone > is aware of what's going on that leads some humans to want to wake up > from the word-games, and word-plays that passes for being a human, > rather than just accepting the subterfuge. The so called " human " is a by-product...a residue... of the word-games....not their origin. toombaru > > Do you actually believe you're alive, because your mouth operates on > it's own, and your fingers operate on their own, and your legs > operate on their own? > > If so, then that's what being asleep is about - thinking you're alive > with no evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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