Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 It is all perfect as it is. Lets simply go on sharing our stories. > Nothing can go wrong. Once in a while a bird sings. > > Love > Stefan P:LOL Is this upgrading to love from kind regards supposed to prove that you are not my anti-pupil? Never fear. This is just a teaser, I'll continue to ignore you, as usual, until you no longer need my help. > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > The anti-teacher is a new kind of guru > > hard at work on these lists. You might > > be the anti-teacher to someone here, > > and neither you, nor your anti-pupil might > > be aware that is happening. > > > > When someone chooses you as his anti-teacher, > > they set you up as the person to > > prove wrong, and this urge to prove you > > wrong becomes like a mission. But underneath > > the obvious hostility to your ideas the > > anti-pupil is using you to teach himself, > > and to clarify his own ideas. At the end > > of the process some of the anti-teacher's > > opinions will be adopted by the anti-pupil > > in a modified form. > > > > Two people could use each others as anti-teachers, > > and these relationships, although they could be > > profitable and illuminating for both, usually degenerate > > into protracted dog fights, which disturb other > > interactions at that list. > > > > If the anti-teacher knows his role, he usually lets > > the anti-pupil attack his ideas without responding. > > Eventually, the other party will come to terms with > > the ideas, either by agreeing, or learning > > tolerance, or simply moving on. > > > > If you notice someone is using you as such, it's > > best to keep it to yourself, at least until the person > > no longer needs you. If you look closer, I bet you can > > spot this kind of relationships going on right now. > > People like Tomb, Dan, and AC are sometimes > > used in this way by some people. > > > > There is a very simple, but profitable experiment > > you can conduct in this regard: when you notice > > your irritation at reading a post growing as you read, > > and you can't wait to reply, just sit back, and focus > > on the irritation, and try to spot what really provoked it. > > Does it happen more with that person than with others? > > Why have you given those ideas, and maybe that > > person such negative value? Recognize those ideas > > as hot bottoms to be disconnected. Just a thought, > > don't get all work up about it. > > > > Pete > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 - Pedsie2 nisargadatta Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:57 PM The Anti-teacher It is all perfect as it is. Lets simply go on sharing our stories. > Nothing can go wrong. Once in a while a bird sings. > > Love > Stefan P:LOL Is this upgrading to love from kind regards supposed to prove that you are not my anti-pupil? Never fear. This is just a teaser, I'll continue to ignore you, as usual, until you no longer need my help. > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > The anti-teacher is a new kind of guru > > hard at work on these lists. You might > > be the anti-teacher to someone here, > > and neither you, nor your anti-pupil might > > be aware that is happening. > > > > When someone chooses you as his anti-teacher, > > they set you up as the person to > > prove wrong, and this urge to prove you > > wrong becomes like a mission. But underneath > > the obvious hostility to your ideas the > > anti-pupil is using you to teach himself, > > and to clarify his own ideas. At the end > > of the process some of the anti-teacher's > > opinions will be adopted by the anti-pupil > > in a modified form. > > > > Two people could use each others as anti-teachers, > > and these relationships, although they could be > > profitable and illuminating for both, usually degenerate > > into protracted dog fights, which disturb other > > interactions at that list. > > > > If the anti-teacher knows his role, he usually lets > > the anti-pupil attack his ideas without responding. > > Eventually, the other party will come to terms with > > the ideas, either by agreeing, or learning > > tolerance, or simply moving on. > > > > If you notice someone is using you as such, it's > > best to keep it to yourself, at least until the person > > no longer needs you. If you look closer, I bet you can > > spot this kind of relationships going on right now. > > People like Tomb, Dan, and AC are sometimes > > used in this way by some people. > > > > There is a very simple, but profitable experiment > > you can conduct in this regard: when you notice > > your irritation at reading a post growing as you read, > > and you can't wait to reply, just sit back, and focus > > on the irritation, and try to spot what really provoked it. > > Does it happen more with that person than with others? > > Why have you given those ideas, and maybe that > > person such negative value? Recognize those ideas > > as hot bottoms to be disconnected. Just a thought, > > don't get all work up about it. > > > > Pete > > > > > > 'tis the same everywhere, why do we like Coke and not Pepsi? why do we think this 'place would/should be any different from any other 'place'. It is only Here . we are the Silence thoughts rise feelings occur knowledge is remembered or saught actions happen sometimes to 'us' always we are the actor always the ground of being is the stage we are the silence then the phone rings.... anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: >P:LOL Is this upgrading to love from kind regards supposed to prove that you >are not my anti-pupil? Never fear. This is just a teaser, I'll >continue to ignore you, as usual, until you no longer need my >help. Hi Pete, did you follow your latest recipe before you posted this? If you did and this is the outcome... then maybe you should still refine it a bit. I mean, is it not funny that you talk to me claiming at the same time that you ignore me? Nevertheless, I appreciate that you now talk to me directly, after continously talking to me through others. I find this more... adequate for adult people :-) I dont think I have ever written " kind regards " to you... how comes this idea? It makes me think that there is maybe something... emotional going on on your side. Feel free to tell me, no need to hide or hold back. I am not interested in games and roles, really not. A can see your focus in communication is on separatedness, difference between people. You have to deal with fear and you have to create roles, games and strategies. You need judgements: lower and higher, the teacher the pupil, the helper the helpless, the beginner the advanced. Am I not right? But I see us all as the same. I am exactly as mad as you are. The same madness is all around and within us. Yes, we can learn, this you have understood. But the one who plays the role of the teacher misses the learning. He creates a castle to hide from life. But teaching is learning and learning is teaching. An everlasting flow... And nothing can be teached and nothing be learned So, thanks, Pete, for your help I hope I could be helpful as well Love Stefan P.S. Love is mainly what I feel at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Stefan:> But I see us all as the same. If you saw us all the same......you could not see us. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > >Stefan:> But I see us all as the same. > >If you saw us all the same......you could not see us. Exactly, that is how it is for " me " . I mean, my eyes do still function, LOL. But I have to somehow focus to see things as separated, including myself. And what I " see " then is not how it really is. But thats not a problem! It is necessary like eating and drinking... *** Anyway, when I said " I see us all as the same " I meant this regarding those different roles that we are playing, according to Petes suggestion. From the way things present themselve to me... I have to say that this difference in roles, characteristics, qualities, opinions of persons are so fluctuant, illusionary... that they are nothing compared to the commonness that unites us. I feel no necessity for such seperatedness in roles when people are trying to understand themselves better. I rather would suggest the opposite. To look at things, including our personalities, as they really are, in their unity. And allow those characteristics and roles to be as they are and where they are. They dont need any special attention, IMHO. :-) Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Well, Pete, I prefer people who speak out spontaniously and straight, > with passion, honesty and fearless openness. Ok, nothing against > leaning back and thinking twice, nothing against looking at oneself in > the case of emotional irritations. > > But people who communicate through such concepts as you just > elaborated... such people are still so full of social fears that they > need all kind of complicated self protective filters. > > I feel sad about this. Because there is no need for such fear. All > that is happening here are manifestations of the same old never > changing mad mechanisms. Madness. Your concept will never work anyway, > because the group suddenly will miracously consist only of > anti-teachers. No anti-pupil in sight... > > What, Pete, would happen if you would share your chaos without the > effort to wrap it into beautifully glittering paper. What would > happen. Somebody would think that Pete is NOT an educated, intelligent > and brilliant man? So what? Is it this appreciation you are really > looking for? > > Stinking pieces of mud are writing emails. Does it matter if one > stinks a little more from the feet and the other little more from the > mouth. > > It is all perfect as it is. Lets simply go on sharing our stories. > Nothing can go wrong. > > > > >Once in a while a bird sings. > > Love > Stefan sam: then someone shows up with a gun and shoots the bird. LOL. [Which is just fine becuz that bird is usually singing a lovely little hypnotizing ditty which sounds pretty but is usually still only the birds song.] All are the pupil and all are the guru with no demarkation. It's a *good* thing this forum/board moderator is rather low key here or the board wouldn't be as useful of a teaching tool as it is. I read how Pete likes to come across as never having his emotional feathers ruffled, and being above that sort of emotion, undisturbed as it were, but perhaps his message was more to himself than for anyone else. Gotta wake up pretty early in the morning to fool this ole' bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote: >Gotta wake up pretty early in the morning to fool this ole' bird. Haha... YOU are the bird! Love Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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