Drop your mind - love/hate -- the dual duel.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> >Hi Stefferl,

> ...

> >Stefan, it is not a question of right or wrong, it rather is a

> >question of going on that way, to go on carrying the burden of

> >fixations you call " leftovers " .

>

 

> I have experienced a wonderful thing: all my problems were that I

did

> not accept those " leftovers " . When I accepted them they appeared at

> the place where they belong: as a part of that fluctuant

personality.

> It was a most wonderful experience when the fighting and wiping

> stopped. Really I did not even do any " accepting " , it just happend

> that everything came into its place.

>

> There is no burden, Werner. The only burden is when one is trying

to

> get rid of those things. Fighting against windmill sails. This very

> effort is the burden.

>

> >These fixations only stay because they call for solution, but

there

> >is none.

>

> Of course there is none. Where there is no problem there is no

> solution :-)

>

> >I am totally alone, No one loves me. That is the only holy truth.

> >I am no longer seeking others' love.

> >I am no longer seeking others' comfort.

> >I am no longer seeking others' recognition.

> >I am no longer seeking others' understanding.

>

> Love keeps one in bondage as long as seeked outside. But I cannot

> imagine that the seeking drops through mental affirmation. It drops

> once one discovers the source of all love.

>

> Stefan

 

 

sam: Remove love and hate and there is No Thing -- empty. Then

evolves a little bit of wonder and throw emotions into the mix and

one experiences that wonder as love, pounding like a drum. As all

duals have a duel/opposite so love has hate. When one can see the

hate as even love then it all becomes love and folds back into

wonder, which folds back into empty No Thing.

 

This dual planet makes it very difficult to remain in the *flow

state* (for lack of better words) or *you* would disappear -- there

would be No Thing to flow *with*.

A little dual is necessary here or anywhere in the universe of

dreamland for that matter. It so happens that this blue planet

straddles more into the hate zone than the love zone duality.

It becomes too easy to move predominantly into the dual aspect of

hate rather than love. I can't stay in a non-dual flow stage for

very long or *I*, body and all will quickly disappear. To stay in

the dual state and straddle between hate and love is a very

difficult thing for people. Hence, the wars, the head bashing and

sadness. Thanks Stefan for the good reminder to **me** to alert to

straddle the love dual rather than the hate dual. It's more

productive for *me* than the other options. Love absorbs hate and

it disappears into that state of wonder which is begotten from the

Emptiness. It's easier for *me* to stay in non-dual (I use the

word easy very loosely becuze there is a continuous pulling from all

sides and shift to non-dual is frequent) when the focus is on the

love duality - points closer back to the core/source in a way that

has less hate/anger stuff that acts as a quicksand. In other

words, love is a better tool than hate. Then it's all love eh?

 

I needed this reminder. I must go and return some product to a

sales woman who is like a she-wolf from hades. Fear of future was

cropping up and with it was confrontation in roots of hatred. It

quickly was pulling at -me- and composure was being lost at the

prospect of the confrontation, finding my straddle off into the

anger/hatin'/resentment emotions. Your reminder is to counter by

straddling the love dual side, which is quickly putting it all back

into the flow state. This blue planet is quite the dual/duel and

being 'in source' removes the straddling to a dull roar yet when I

fell off the horse it's good to be reminded which side to get back

up on again.

thanks stefan,

kind regards, cordially and with much love

 

p.s. in the dual world I'd rather be in Disneyland/love state than

the alternatives of hellish land/hate state. I won't kid myself

that I can't straddle the 2 without being pulled and it's

*easier* (LOL) to be this way, given that I've tried both.

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Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote:

 

>sam: Remove love and hate and there is No Thing -- empty. Then

>evolves a little bit of wonder and throw emotions into the mix and

>one experiences that wonder as love, pounding like a drum. As all

>duals have a duel/opposite so love has hate. When one can see the

>hate as even love then it all becomes love and folds back into

>wonder, which folds back into empty No Thing.

 

Hi Sam. Thanks for your explanation. It is good to hear someone share

his stories... openly... simple... as you do. You are right, love is

an emotion. Thats why I have added the blonde lady to the mix (in

another posting). I wanted to put love down from the throne of an

ideal theoretical concept. In reality, everybody knows love. There is

no need to define it. Even the smallest child already knows love. Love

is live, overcoming separateness.

 

>This dual planet makes it very difficult to remain in the *flow

>state* (for lack of better words) or *you* would disappear -- there

>would be No Thing to flow *with*.

 

And, if you disappear... what then? Do you mean that in this case you

cannot enjoy the " flow state " ? But is not the flow-state anyway

happening without you? When you were in the flow-state... where were

you then? Have you been there? Or maybe... was there only the

flow-state and then you rememberd the " you " and...

 

>A little dual is necessary here or anywhere in the universe of

>dreamland for that matter. It so happens that this blue planet

>straddles more into the hate zone than the love zone duality.

>It becomes too easy to move predominantly into the dual aspect of

>hate rather than love. I can't stay in a non-dual flow stage for

>very long or *I*, body and all will quickly disappear.

 

Do they need the " I " to function, is that your belief? Are you sure?

 

>To stay in the dual state and straddle between hate and love is a

>very difficult thing for people.

 

Why is it difficult. Is it not happening by itself without anything

that needs to be done...

 

>Hence, the wars, the head bashing and sadness.

 

It is all happening on its own accord. And if you forever struggle

straddling... what will it change?

 

>Thanks Stefan for the good reminder to **me** to alert to

>straddle the love dual rather than the hate dual.

 

As long as I prefered love from hate I found myself entangled in

sensless struggles.

 

>It's more productive for *me* than the other options. Love absorbs

hate and it disappears into that state of wonder which is begotten

from the Emptiness.

 

>It's easier for *me* to stay in non-dual (I use the

>word easy very loosely becuze there is a continuous pulling from all

>sides and shift to non-dual is frequent) when the focus is on the

>love duality - points closer back to the core/source in a way that

>has less hate/anger stuff that acts as a quicksand. In other

>words, love is a better tool than hate. Then it's all love eh?

 

But maybe... if you go totally into hate, without holding back... you

will end up with the same result? How do you know? The crux is the

chosing not the chosen. It is the attitude that you prefer one from

the other that makes you a slave of duality. Letting everything be

what it is... love be love, hate be hate... this gave me freedom.

 

>I needed this reminder. I must go and return some product to a

>sales woman who is like a she-wolf from hades. Fear of future was

>cropping up and with it was confrontation in roots of hatred. It

>quickly was pulling at -me- and composure was being lost at the

>prospect of the confrontation, finding my straddle off into the

>anger/hatin'/resentment emotions.

 

It is understandable, you are afraid of losing composure. You have

chosen your ideal state to be composure and lovingness. But on the

other hand: as long as you are desiring those states you are entangled

in the struggle. The real problem, that which causes the suffering, is

the struggling itself. All those emotional states are naturally

flowing, they come... so they will go.

 

>Your reminder is to counter by straddling the love dual side, which

is quickly putting it all back into the flow state.

 

Are you sure it works that way? My own reminder is: acceptance. One

day I started to accept and accept and accept... and everything became

vaster and vaster... and easier and easier...

 

>This blue planet is quite the dual/duel and

>being 'in source' removes the straddling to a dull roar yet when I

>fell off the horse it's good to be reminded which side to get back

>up on again.

 

Why bother from which side? Once you sit on the top again / or in

source... it does not matter how you got there. Love takes care of

itself.

 

>thanks stefan,

>kind regards, cordially and with much love

 

I thank you too, for your openness. I hope I did not shock you with my

objections... as I obviously have shocked others. I think it takes a

long time and effort and pacience to come to a point where one can

really relate to the other, verbally, on such a list. If you dont

agree with what I have said, great... I dont expect that.

 

>p.s. in the dual world I'd rather be in Disneyland/love state than

>the alternatives of hellish land/hate state. I won't kid myself

>that I can't straddle the 2 without being pulled and it's

>*easier* (LOL) to be this way, given that I've tried both.

 

Haha, great. I am in Disneyland because Werner has put me there and I

liked it so much that I stayed. But it is all the same to me...

 

Love and all the best to you

Stefan