Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 We could define consciousness as the qualia of cumulative mutually referential states. What does that mean? In layman terms, consciousness is how information feels from the inside. How could that work? Schematically, it goes like this: take two neurons, which are in two differentent states. A state is a mode of being. An atom, an electron has a state defined by certain electric charge, spin, etc. We could say the sum of its energy characteristics is its state. When this state is transmitted it becomes information. So , neuron #1 is in state A, and neuron # 2 is in state B. Neuron #1sends information about its state (field if you prefer) to neuron to # 2. This changes neuron 2 state from B to AB. Neuron 2 fires back to neuron 1 that now it's in state AB, and this changes neuron 1 to state AAB. Now imagine that going on among billions of neurons creating a constantly changing super state. How that state feels from the inside is what we call consciousness. It's an information sensitive state constantly updated by informations units gathered through the senses. You might not agree with this scheme, but it's obvious, that consciousness is about information, and that information can exist only in manifestation. The unmanifested, what I called here the God State, that which is prior to the universe has no second to mirror, no reference point, therefore, no awareness of other, or self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > We could define consciousness as the qualia > of cumulative mutually referential states. What does > that mean? In layman terms, consciousness is > how information feels from the inside. How could > that work? Schematically, it goes like this: take > two neurons, which are in two differentent states. > A state is a mode of being. An atom, an electron > has a state defined by certain electric charge, > spin, etc. We could say the sum of its energy > characteristics is its state. When this state > is transmitted it becomes information. > > So , neuron #1 is in state A, and neuron # 2 is in > state B. Neuron #1sends information about its > state (field if you prefer) to neuron to # 2. This > changes neuron 2 state from B to AB. Neuron 2 > fires back to neuron 1 that now it's in state AB, > and this changes neuron 1 to state AAB. Now imagine > that going on among billions of neurons creating a > constantly changing super state. How that state > feels from the inside is what we call consciousness. > It's an information sensitive state constantly > updated by informations units gathered through > the senses. > > You might not agree with this scheme, but it's > obvious, that consciousness is about information, > and that information can exist only in manifestation. > The unmanifested, what I called here the God State, that > which is prior to the universe has no second > to mirror, no reference point, therefore, no awareness > of other, or self. > > That's an interesting description. The assymetric relation between neuron A and B makes the interaction go from A to B and then back to A. If there were no assymetry then there is nothing that says which way information flows. I would like to expand this idea to the quantum realm and say that interaction happens withing one superstate, and that superstate is the whole universe. The human body is a hologram reflecting the entire Kosmos. That's why we sometimes can feel such profound feeling, both nightmarish and blissful. When there is balance in the superstate then I suspect we would feel tremendous peace and connectedness. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 You might enjoy Stephen Wolinsky's new DVD " I am that I am " ... he discusses a similar concept, pointing to Maharaj's saying about liquids meeting and the I am is born ... Wolinsky talks about neurotransmitters creating the notion I Am well after everything has happened. So who is a doer?! That " I am thought is late to the party :-) We could define consciousness as the qualia of cumulative mutually referential states. What does that mean? In layman terms, consciousness is how information feels from the inside. How could that work? Schematically, it goes like this: take two neurons, which are in two differentent states. A state is a mode of being. An atom, an electron has a state defined by certain electric charge, spin, etc. We could say the sum of its energy characteristics is its state. When this state is transmitted it becomes information. So , neuron #1 is in state A, and neuron # 2 is in state B. Neuron #1sends information about its state (field if you prefer) to neuron to # 2. This changes neuron 2 state from B to AB. Neuron 2 fires back to neuron 1 that now it's in state AB, and this changes neuron 1 to state AAB. Now imagine that going on among billions of neurons creating a constantly changing super state. How that state feels from the inside is what we call consciousness. It's an information sensitive state constantly updated by informations units gathered through the senses. You might not agree with this scheme, but it's obvious, that consciousness is about information, and that information can exist only in manifestation. The unmanifested, what I called here the God State, that which is prior to the universe has no second to mirror, no reference point, therefore, no awareness of other, or self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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