Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 My friend Jack Rosenberg once said with a twinkle, " All there is, is Bullshit, and Nothing " <ROTF, LMAO> Pedsie2 [Pedsie2] Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:23 PM Nisargadatta Re: Re: The Big C In a message dated 4/14/05 11:29:57 AM, mybox234 writes: > Some people actually - believe it or not - spend their entire adult > lives studying the writings of other men, firmly in the belief that > they're " getting it " , or " getting something " , or " catching on " , or > " waking up " , or " becoming actually free " . > > Yup, believe it or not! > P: LOL. And the masses call that wisdom, being a scholar, a pundit on this, or that sacred conceptual salad, and those scholars are venerated for their good memory about religious trivia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 thanks i luv u 2 misterenlightenment [misterenlightenment] Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:22 PM Nisargadatta Re: The Big C Nisargadatta , " Charlie Hayes " <awakenow@e...> wrote: > <Laughing out loud> > > Y 'all seen this? > > " The Ramesh-Wayne Kerfaffle > > at http://home.earthlink.net/~awakenow/id26.html > BTW, Charlie, I love your book!! Nothing like straight ahead, damn the torpedoes HONESTY! How refreshing! Mr. E, ABD ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 - fmraerdy Nisargadatta Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM Re: The Big C Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are just pawns in the > hands of evolution; that the whole is more important than the > individual. But I think that that both the individual and the > whole are equally important. 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! 2) " gloomy " ?!?! Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), you've got this all ass-backwards! Try feeling different about this. 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you are an >>absolutely<< insignificant being in the machinery of Life. " Wake up, man. " ;^) 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the capacity to know what Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which only " know " what their species knows instinctively. Try to feel this: There is nothing going on in your head, my head, Toom's head, Pete's head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't already understand. If you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, and is down the road already, while you're still sitting there mulling it over. Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ humans' brains, and it comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about everything you can, and can not even, imagine, but Life is the transmitter, you and everybody are only - at best - receivers. Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, while at the same time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an enlightenment no one has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - sitting there in your very chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive or dead can take your hand and lead you out of that chair. You are not important to Life itself - there are way, way more than enough humans alive today, to do the work Life is doing here, which is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and prosper and continue, none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans are the brain cells of Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are the brain cells of each human body. Learn to manage the flock, rather than continuing to allow them to roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous parts of the farm (other people's stories about what YOU need, and what YOU are, and what Consciousness is and is not, and what Enlightenment is and is not.) It's all total bullshit. Find these things out for yourself! Gassho, Oh Brave One..... (p.s. above not poetry:)) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 A blonde seeker was in an airplane headed to Houston to see her Guru. After takeoff she moved up to first class and plopped down, with a satisfied sigh, and took out her copy of the Gita.. The flight attendant sauntered over and politely said, " I am so sorry, miss, but this cabin is reserved for people flying first class. " Blondie would not have any of that. " Look, sister, I am blonde and beautiful and I am going to Houston to see my Guru. In this nice seat! My Guru would NOT want me in those dreadful little seats back in Coach. And that is all there is to that! " Groaning, the flight attendant went and got her supervisor, the head of the flight attendant team. Stooping in the aisle next to the blonde, she said politely, " I am so sorry, but we cannot allow you to stay in this seat. It is for first class passengers only. " Blondie, now more than a little miffed despite her twenty years of seeking God, blurted out " WHO do you think you are?!? I am BLONDE and BEAUTIFUL and I AM GOING TO HOUSTON TO SEE MY GURU! Now please bring me a pillow! " and buried her nose in her Bhagavad Gita again. So now the senior flight attendant was totally perplexed. She didn't want an incident BUT ... she had her job and she would do it. So, she knocked on the flight deck door to ask for help The Captain opened it, and she went in and sat down with a sigh, and told him the story. The Captain said, " Oh hey, NO problem ... I am MARRIED to a Blonde Spiritual Seeker. And I SPEAK Blonde Seeker. " The Captain left the flight deck, casually strolled over to the blonde and, taking a seat next to her, whispered something in her ear. Immediately Blondie got up, grabbed her book and hightailed it back to Coach. The flight crew were astounded. " WHAT did you say to get her to move? " the supervisor asked? " Oh, I just told her 'First Class doesn't GO to Houston.!' " Love, charlie www.awakeningtotheeternal.net Pedsie2 [Pedsie2] Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:09 PM Nisargadatta Re: Re: The Big C In a message dated 4/14/05 12:22:53 PM, misterenlightenment writes: > Hey no, what happened to the old psychic girl friend? Somebody poke > out her third eye? > P: Well, is not the girl who is old, it's the joke. friend 1 ask f2; " You think psychic can tell the future? " F2: Sure, I once almost married one. F1: What happened? F2: Nutting. She left me before we met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/14/05 12:22:53 PM, misterenlightenment writes: > > > > Hey no, what happened to the old psychic girl friend? Somebody poke > > out her third eye? > > > > P: Well, is not the girl who is old, it's the joke. > > friend 1 ask f2; " You think psychic can tell the future? " > F2: Sure, I once almost married one. > > F1: What happened? > > F2: Nutting. She left me before we met.>> For some reason, this joke reminds me of the one where this horny guy, in order to save money, goes to a discount massage parlor. Yeah, you guessed it: It was Self-Service. Go figure!!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But maybe listening to spiritual teachers makes the mind more > in > > > > line with Consciousness. Then you become aligned with the now. > > > > The now is very solid. Your true being recognizes that it is the > > > > now itself, and not only the mind. > > > > > > > > > > " But maybe " NOTHING! > > > Look what it's done... to you AL. > > > > > > I believe spiritual teachings and traditions can have some > > great value. But eventually there must come a point where you > > through all the spiritual doctrines and theories out the > > window, because the Tao that can be spoken of is not the true > > Tao... > > You're free to believe whatever you want to believe about words from > other people - or to put that more precisely and correctly, you are > not free at all in that, it all just happens due to factors entirely > OUTSIDE your control and knowledge, though not entirely outside the > control and knowledge of everybody. > > When there is no gate-keeper, then any old drunken bum and his whore > and their 3 toddlers can come into your home, take up semi-permanent > residence, and start signing your name to their meandering > points-of-view... with you completely unaware that's even going on, > and when it's pointed out to you, you doubt it, loudly, and with > customary aplomb. > > Some people actually - believe it or not - spend their entire adult > lives studying the writings of other men, firmly in the belief that > they're " getting it " , or " getting something " , or " catching on " , or > " waking up " , or " becoming actually free " . > > Yup, believe it or not! All who sing ....are part of the choir. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > fmraerdy > Nisargadatta > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > Re: The Big C > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are just pawns in the > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more important than the > > individual. But I think that that both the individual and the > > whole are equally important. > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), you've got this all > ass-backwards! > > Try feeling different about this. > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you are an >>absolutely<< > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. " Wake up, man. " ;^) > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the capacity to know what > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which only " know " what their > species knows instinctively. > > Try to feel this: > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, Toom's head, Pete's > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't already understand. If > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, and is down the road > already, while you're still sitting there mulling it over. > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ humans' brains, and it > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about everything you can, and > can not even, imagine, but Life is the transmitter, you and everybody > are only - at best - receivers. > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, while at the same > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an enlightenment no one > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - sitting there in your very > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive or dead can take > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > You are not important to Life itself - there are way, way more than > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life is doing here, which > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and prosper and continue, > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans are the brain cells of > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are the brain cells of > each human body. > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than continuing to allow them to > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous parts of the farm > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and what YOU are, and > what Consciousness is and is not, and what Enlightenment is and is > not.) > > It's all total bullshit. > Find these things out for yourself! Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > If life is running the show and I am just not thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having anything to say about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet on strings. It must be more true that I _am_ life itself and that I am really not separate from anything. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:19 PM Re: The Big C Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > fmraerdy > Nisargadatta > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > Re: The Big C > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are just pawns in the > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more important than the > > individual. But I think that that both the individual and the > > whole are equally important. > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), you've got this all > ass-backwards! > > Try feeling different about this. > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you are an >>absolutely<< > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. " Wake up, man. " ;^) > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the capacity to know what > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which only " know " what their > species knows instinctively. > > Try to feel this: > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, Toom's head, Pete's > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't already understand. If > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, and is down the road > already, while you're still sitting there mulling it over. > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ humans' brains, and it > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about everything you can, and > can not even, imagine, but Life is the transmitter, you and everybody > are only - at best - receivers. > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, while at the same > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an enlightenment no one > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - sitting there in your very > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive or dead can take > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > You are not important to Life itself - there are way, way more than > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life is doing here, which > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and prosper and continue, > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans are the brain cells of > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are the brain cells of > each human body. > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than continuing to allow them to > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous parts of the farm > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and what YOU are, and > what Consciousness is and is not, and what Enlightenment is and is > not.) > > It's all total bullshit. > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > If life is running the show and I am just not thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having anything to say about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet on strings. It must be more true that I _am_ life itself and that I am really not separate from anything. al. " I thought I was separate, and therefore I was " , apologies to Descartes " . ( Anna R. circa 1980-something.) al. or mike. ))) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:19 PM > Re: The Big C > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > fmraerdy > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are just pawns in the > > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more important than the > > > individual. But I think that that both the individual and the > > > whole are equally important. > > > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), you've got this all > > ass-backwards! > > > > Try feeling different about this. > > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you are an >>absolutely<< > > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. " Wake up, man. " ;^) > > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the capacity to know what > > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which only " know " what their > > species knows instinctively. > > > > Try to feel this: > > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, Toom's head, Pete's > > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't already understand. If > > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, and is down the road > > already, while you're still sitting there mulling it over. > > > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ humans' brains, and it > > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about everything you can, and > > can not even, imagine, but Life is the transmitter, you and everybody > > are only - at best - receivers. > > > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, while at the same > > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an enlightenment no one > > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - sitting there in your very > > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive or dead can take > > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > > > You are not important to Life itself - there are way, way more than > > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life is doing here, which > > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and prosper and continue, > > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans are the brain cells of > > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are the brain cells of > > each human body. > > > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than continuing to allow them to > > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous parts of the farm > > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and what YOU are, and > > what Consciousness is and is not, and what Enlightenment is and is > > not.) > > > > It's all total bullshit. > > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > > > > > > If life is running the show and I am just not thinking but rather that > _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having anything to say > about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet on > strings. It must be more true that I _am_ life itself and that I am > really not separate from anything. > > al. > > > " I thought I was separate, and therefore I was " , apologies to Descartes " . > > ( Anna R. circa 1980-something.) > > > al. or mike. ))) > ** > That was interesting. We can also say that when I think, then it's really about " I was " , but when I think/feel with the whole mind and body, then it's more " I am " . We tend to think " my body " , but I believe that's a mistaken notion. When we think/feel with every cell in our body, then that split is healed. Awareness has to inhabit the entire body and not only the thinking head. After that the awareness field in the body has to resonate with the outside world. And then we become total with the world. Then it is not me and life, but rather me as life. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > fmraerdy > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are > just pawns in the > > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more > important than the > > > individual. But I think that that both the > individual and the > > > whole are equally important. > > > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), > you've got this all > > ass-backwards! > > > > Try feeling different about this. > > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you > are an >>absolutely<< > > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. > " Wake up, man. " ;^) > > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the > capacity to know what > > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which > only " know " what their > > species knows instinctively. > > > > Try to feel this: > > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, > Toom's head, Pete's > > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't > already understand. If > > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, > and is down the road > > already, while you're still sitting there > mulling it over. > > > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ > humans' brains, and it > > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about > everything you can, and > > can not even, imagine, but Life is the > transmitter, you and everybody > > are only - at best - receivers. > > > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, > while at the same > > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an > enlightenment no one > > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not > Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - > sitting there in your very > > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive > or dead can take > > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > > > You are not important to Life itself - there are > way, way more than > > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life > is doing here, which > > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and > prosper and continue, > > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans > are the brain cells of > > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are > the brain cells of > > each human body. > > > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than > continuing to allow them to > > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous > parts of the farm > > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and > what YOU are, and > > what Consciousness is and is not, and what > Enlightenment is and is > > not.) > > > > It's all total bullshit. > > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > > > > > > If life is running the show and I am just not > thinking but rather that > _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having > anything to say > about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like > being a puppet on > strings. Hi Anders, Test it out. Try to stop thinking. It must be more true that I _am_ life > itself and that I am > really not separate from anything. > > al. How would you know that? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > fmraerdy > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are > > just pawns in the > > > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more > > important than the > > > > individual. But I think that that both the > > individual and the > > > > whole are equally important. > > > > > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > > > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > > > > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), > > you've got this all > > > ass-backwards! > > > > > > Try feeling different about this. > > > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you > > are an >>absolutely<< > > > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. > > " Wake up, man. " ;^) > > > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the > > capacity to know what > > > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which > > only " know " what their > > > species knows instinctively. > > > > > > Try to feel this: > > > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, > > Toom's head, Pete's > > > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't > > already understand. If > > > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, > > and is down the road > > > already, while you're still sitting there > > mulling it over. > > > > > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ > > humans' brains, and it > > > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about > > everything you can, and > > > can not even, imagine, but Life is the > > transmitter, you and everybody > > > are only - at best - receivers. > > > > > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, > > while at the same > > > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an > > enlightenment no one > > > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not > > Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > > > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - > > sitting there in your very > > > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive > > or dead can take > > > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > > > > > You are not important to Life itself - there are > > way, way more than > > > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life > > is doing here, which > > > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and > > prosper and continue, > > > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans > > are the brain cells of > > > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are > > the brain cells of > > > each human body. > > > > > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than > > continuing to allow them to > > > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous > > parts of the farm > > > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and > > what YOU are, and > > > what Consciousness is and is not, and what > > Enlightenment is and is > > > not.) > > > > > > It's all total bullshit. > > > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > > > > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > If life is running the show and I am just not > > thinking but rather that > > _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having > > anything to say > > about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like > > being a puppet on > > strings. > > > Hi Anders, > > Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > I can try. It may take a while before I can manage to stop thinking. > > > It must be more true that I _am_ life > > itself and that I am > > really not separate from anything. > > > > al. > > > How would you know that? > > > Lewis > > I am not separate from what I experience at least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what I experience. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > fmraerdy > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > > > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are > > > just pawns in the > > > > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more > > > important than the > > > > > individual. But I think that that both the > > > individual and the > > > > > whole are equally important. > > > > > > > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > > > > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > > > > > > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), > > > you've got this all > > > > ass-backwards! > > > > > > > > Try feeling different about this. > > > > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you > > > are an >>absolutely<< > > > > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. > > > " Wake up, man. " ;^) > > > > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the > > > capacity to know what > > > > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which > > > only " know " what their > > > > species knows instinctively. > > > > > > > > Try to feel this: > > > > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, > > > Toom's head, Pete's > > > > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't > > > already understand. If > > > > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, > > > and is down the road > > > > already, while you're still sitting there > > > mulling it over. > > > > > > > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ > > > humans' brains, and it > > > > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about > > > everything you can, and > > > > can not even, imagine, but Life is the > > > transmitter, you and everybody > > > > are only - at best - receivers. > > > > > > > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, > > > while at the same > > > > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an > > > enlightenment no one > > > > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not > > > Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > > > > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - > > > sitting there in your very > > > > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive > > > or dead can take > > > > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > > > > > > > You are not important to Life itself - there are > > > way, way more than > > > > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life > > > is doing here, which > > > > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and > > > prosper and continue, > > > > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans > > > are the brain cells of > > > > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are > > > the brain cells of > > > > each human body. > > > > > > > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than > > > continuing to allow them to > > > > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous > > > parts of the farm > > > > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and > > > what YOU are, and > > > > what Consciousness is and is not, and what > > > Enlightenment is and is > > > > not.) > > > > > > > > It's all total bullshit. > > > > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > > > > > > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If life is running the show and I am just not > > > thinking but rather that > > > _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having > > > anything to say > > > about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like > > > being a puppet on > > > strings. > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > I can try. It may take a while before I can manage to stop thinking. > " You " are the thinking. The sense of a sepatare youness emerges from within the mnemonic-resonance. ..........a ripple attepting to separate itself from the water. > > > > > > It must be more true that I _am_ life > > > itself and that I am > > > really not separate from anything. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > How would you know that? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > I am not separate from what I experience at least. If I was separate I > would not be aware of what I experience. > > al. Is there really a center there.... that is aware that " it " is experiencing? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having anything to say about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet on strings. Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can manage to stop thinking. Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you cannot stop thinking at will? Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself and that I am really not separate from anything. Lewis: How would you know that? Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what I experience. Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling out " of an experience and I and other that makes it possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to say. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > > <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > fmraerdy > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > > > > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are > > > > just pawns in the > > > > > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more > > > > important than the > > > > > > individual. But I think that that both the > > > > individual and the > > > > > > whole are equally important. > > > > > > > > > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > > > > > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > > > > > > > > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), > > > > you've got this all > > > > > ass-backwards! > > > > > > > > > > Try feeling different about this. > > > > > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you > > > > are an >>absolutely<< > > > > > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. > > > > " Wake up, man. " ;^) > > > > > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the > > > > capacity to know what > > > > > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which > > > > only " know " what their > > > > > species knows instinctively. > > > > > > > > > > Try to feel this: > > > > > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, > > > > Toom's head, Pete's > > > > > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't > > > > already understand. If > > > > > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, > > > > and is down the road > > > > > already, while you're still sitting there > > > > mulling it over. > > > > > > > > > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ > > > > humans' brains, and it > > > > > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about > > > > everything you can, and > > > > > can not even, imagine, but Life is the > > > > transmitter, you and everybody > > > > > are only - at best - receivers. > > > > > > > > > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, > > > > while at the same > > > > > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an > > > > enlightenment no one > > > > > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not > > > > Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > > > > > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - > > > > sitting there in your very > > > > > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive > > > > or dead can take > > > > > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > > > > > > > > > You are not important to Life itself - there are > > > > way, way more than > > > > > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life > > > > is doing here, which > > > > > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and > > > > prosper and continue, > > > > > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans > > > > are the brain cells of > > > > > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are > > > > the brain cells of > > > > > each human body. > > > > > > > > > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than > > > > continuing to allow them to > > > > > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous > > > > parts of the farm > > > > > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and > > > > what YOU are, and > > > > > what Consciousness is and is not, and what > > > > Enlightenment is and is > > > > > not.) > > > > > > > > > > It's all total bullshit. > > > > > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > > > > > > > > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If life is running the show and I am just not > > > > thinking but rather that > > > > _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having > > > > anything to say > > > > about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like > > > > being a puppet on > > > > strings. > > > > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > > > Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > > > I can try. It may take a while before I can manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > " You " are the thinking. > > The sense of a sepatare youness emerges from within the mnemonic-resonance. > > .........a ripple attepting to separate itself from the water. Then maybe I as life can manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It must be more true that I _am_ life > > > > itself and that I am > > > > really not separate from anything. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > How would you know that? > > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not separate from what I experience at least. If I was separate I > > would not be aware of what I experience. > > > > al. > > > > Is there really a center there.... that is aware that " it " is experiencing? > > > > toombaru There is at least one form of experiencing; my awareness may move through different kinds of experiences and sense perceptions, but there is always only one experience, although we maybe cannot call it a center. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > into me without me having anything to say about it, > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > on > strings. > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > manage to stop thinking. > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > cannot stop thinking at will? > That my will does not always funtion directly. It may take some time for me to develop this ability. > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > I experience. > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to say. > Of course there is separation in the form of experience. Without that kind of separation the world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is maybe only One Mind. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 " without thoughts, emotions, memory, associations, perceptions, What am I? Nothing? Everything? Or Neither? " with thanks " I am that I am " DVD from Stephen Wolinsky, PHD Nisargadatta Maharaj teachings with unseen video material. www.netinetifilms.com ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > into me without me having anything to say about it, > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > on > strings. > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > manage to stop thinking. > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > I experience. > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to say. > > > > ....the front of a wave....describing the back itself........... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " > > > > > <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > fmraerdy > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:17 PM > > > > > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I get the gloomy idea that we are > > > > > just pawns in the > > > > > > > hands of evolution; that the whole is more > > > > > important than the > > > > > > > individual. But I think that that both the > > > > > individual and the > > > > > > > whole are equally important. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) " Sometimes " ?!?! > > > > > > 2) " gloomy " ?!?! > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders, Mr. Lindman (if that's your name), > > > > > you've got this all > > > > > > ass-backwards! > > > > > > > > > > > > Try feeling different about this. > > > > > > 1) ALWAYS! - Life is running the show, and you > > > > > are an >>absolutely<< > > > > > > insignificant being in the machinery of Life. > > > > > " Wake up, man. " ;^) > > > > > > 2) wonderful! - that humans actually have the > > > > > capacity to know what > > > > > > Life knows - unlike ALL other creatures which > > > > > only " know " what their > > > > > > species knows instinctively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to feel this: > > > > > > There is nothing going on in your head, my head, > > > > > Toom's head, Pete's > > > > > > head, Anybody's head, that Life Itself doesn't > > > > > already understand. If > > > > > > you " thought " it, Life already knows about it, > > > > > and is down the road > > > > > > already, while you're still sitting there > > > > > mulling it over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Life is being squeezed through 6 billion+ > > > > > humans' brains, and it > > > > > > comes out as thoughts, talk, writing, about > > > > > everything you can, and > > > > > > can not even, imagine, but Life is the > > > > > transmitter, you and everybody > > > > > > are only - at best - receivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Life is pushing humans DOWN into an early grave, > > > > > while at the same > > > > > > time pulling some - not all - humans UP into an > > > > > enlightenment no one > > > > > > has EVER experienced before, not Niz, not > > > > > Maharshi, not Krishnamurti, > > > > > > not Gurdjieff. What is possible for you - > > > > > sitting there in your very > > > > > > chair reading this - is unique, and no one alive > > > > > or dead can take > > > > > > your hand and lead you out of that chair. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not important to Life itself - there are > > > > > way, way more than > > > > > > enough humans alive today, to do the work Life > > > > > is doing here, which > > > > > > is primarily to survive and thrive and grow and > > > > > prosper and continue, > > > > > > none of which is absolutely guaranteed. Humans > > > > > are the brain cells of > > > > > > Life itself, in the very same way, neurons are > > > > > the brain cells of > > > > > > each human body. > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn to manage the flock, rather than > > > > > continuing to allow them to > > > > > > roam off the pasture into fruitless, dangerous > > > > > parts of the farm > > > > > > (other people's stories about what YOU need, and > > > > > what YOU are, and > > > > > > what Consciousness is and is not, and what > > > > > Enlightenment is and is > > > > > > not.) > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all total bullshit. > > > > > > Find these things out for yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gassho, Oh Brave One..... > > > > > > > > > > > > (p.s. above not poetry:)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If life is running the show and I am just not > > > > > thinking but rather that > > > > > _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having > > > > > anything to say > > > > > about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like > > > > > being a puppet on > > > > > strings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > > > > > Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can try. It may take a while before I can manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > " You " are the thinking. > > > > The sense of a sepatare youness emerges from within the > mnemonic-resonance. > > > > .........a ripple attepting to separate itself from the water. > > > Then maybe I as life can manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It must be more true that I _am_ life > > > > > itself and that I am > > > > > really not separate from anything. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not separate from what I experience at least. If I was separate I > > > would not be aware of what I experience. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > Is there really a center there.... that is aware that " it " is > experiencing? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > There is at least one form of experiencing; my awareness may move > through different kinds of experiences and sense perceptions, but > there is always only one experience, although we maybe cannot call it > a center. > > al. The eye of a hurricane......is empty. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: *** New stuff Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced into me without me having anything to say about it, that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet on strings. Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can manage to stop thinking. Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you cannot stop thinking at will? ***Anders: That my will does not always function directly. It may take some time for me to develop this ability. ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about through the use or application of the faculty of will. Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself and that I am really not separate from anything. Lewis: How would you know that? Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what I experience. Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling out " of an experience and I and other that makes it possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to say. ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form of experience. Without that kind of separation the world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is maybe only One Mind. ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, Anders? Your definition defines how and what you experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be separation for it to exist as you state above and so, there is separation. You create " your world " and recreate " your world " and its conditions without realizing that it is being done. It is done consciously and not so. This is what everyone does here making up worlds. Some believe that others can experience as they do; " My world is the world of _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is self-centered thinking, nothing more. Finding the one true intersubjective world is not possible. No such world exists except in an impossible " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " " Silence " dies hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > *** New stuff > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > into me without me having anything to say about it, > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > on strings. > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > manage to stop thinking. > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > cannot stop thinking at will? > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > directly. It may take some time for me to develop this > ability. > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > through the use or application of the faculty of will. How do you know that? Will is not limited to only thought. > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > I experience. > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to > say. > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is > maybe only One Mind. > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be > separation for it to exist as you state above and so, > there is separation. You create " your world " and > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > realizing that it is being done. It is done > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > here making up worlds. Some believe that others can > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > possible. No such world exists except in an impossible > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " > " Silence " dies hard. > I believe the next step in human evolution is that we will become integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead to and force a higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This new higher holon will transcend and embrace our current way of life. And this new state of being will by far surpass any form of intelligence known today. We will all become that intelligence yet we will still at the same time be our individual selves. I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, because it is of course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have a childish hope that this or something similar will happen in my lifetime. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess > <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > *** New stuff > > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just > not > > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > > into me without me having anything to say about > it, > > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a > puppet > > on strings. > > > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I > can > > manage to stop thinking. > > > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since > you > > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > > directly. It may take some time for me to develop > this > > ability. > > > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > > through the use or application of the faculty of > will. > > > How do you know that? Will is not limited to only > thought. Lewis: Experience. Try it Anders. Prove it by your own experience and " willfully " try and stop your thoughts. > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life > itself > > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience > at > > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of > what > > I experience. > > > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your > experience > > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > > separateness that allows analytics; it is the > " pulling > > out " of an experience and I and other that makes > it > > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing > to > > say. > > > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the > form > > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, > there is > > maybe only One Mind. > > > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > > experience; it is the filter that you use to > perceive > > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there > must be > > separation for it to exist as you state above and > so, > > there is separation. You create " your world " and > > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > > realizing that it is being done. It is done > > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > > here making up worlds. Some believe that others > can > > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > > possible. No such world exists except in an > impossible > > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where > everyone > > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true > intersubjective > > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " > " Nirvana " > > " Silence " dies hard. > > > > > I believe the next step in human evolution is that > we will become > integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead > to and force a > higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This > new higher holon > will transcend and embrace our current way of life. > And this new state > of being will by far surpass any form of > intelligence known today. We > will all become that intelligence yet we will still > at the same time > be our individual selves. > > I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, > because it is of > course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have > a childish hope > that this or something similar will happen in my > lifetime. > > al. Lewis: Imagination is a wondrous faculty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Friday, April 15, 2005 11:40 AM Re: The Big C Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > *** New stuff > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > into me without me having anything to say about it, > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > on strings. > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > manage to stop thinking. > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > cannot stop thinking at will? > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > directly. It may take some time for me to develop this > ability. > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > through the use or application of the faculty of will. How do you know that? Will is not limited to only thought. > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > I experience. > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to > say. > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is > maybe only One Mind. > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be > separation for it to exist as you state above and so, > there is separation. You create " your world " and > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > realizing that it is being done. It is done > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > here making up worlds. Some believe that others can > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > possible. No such world exists except in an impossible > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " > " Silence " dies hard. > I believe the next step in human evolution is that we will become integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead to and force a higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This new higher holon will transcend and embrace our current way of life. And this new state of being will by far surpass any form of intelligence known today. We will all become that intelligence yet we will still at the same time be our individual selves. I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, because it is of course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have a childish hope that this or something similar will happen in my lifetime. al. al. It is already happening. Remember, on one 'level' the universe is finished, completed. The unified experience of Being, is always holistic, synchronistic and a completed synergy. As each spark of the life-as-divine-completeness recognizes itself as This, the light that This is becomes manifest, taking the All of its pieces/parts with it AS it. Have you looked into the 'other's eyes' lately? Have you listened to what was really being said? The amazing grace of This Seeing is the 'other' recognizing One-self in 'your' seeing... What could this Seeing Be? Peace? Love? Anna. If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess > > <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > *** New stuff > > > > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just > > not > > > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > > > into me without me having anything to say about > > it, > > > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a > > puppet > > > on strings. > > > > > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I > > can > > > manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since > > you > > > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > > > directly. It may take some time for me to develop > > this > > > ability. > > > > > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > > > through the use or application of the faculty of > > will. > > > > > > How do you know that? Will is not limited to only > > thought. > > > Lewis: Experience. Try it Anders. Prove it by your own > experience and " willfully " try and stop your thoughts. I admit that I don't manage to stop thinking. Trying to do so feels a bit like a struggle. I can sort of semi-stop thought by for example looking at something and then relaxing the mind, but there is still subtle thinking going on, and is more like a trick the mind can perform on itself. > > > > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life > > itself > > > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > > > > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > > > > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience > > at > > > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of > > what > > > I experience. > > > > > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your > > experience > > > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > > > separateness that allows analytics; it is the > > " pulling > > > out " of an experience and I and other that makes > > it > > > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing > > to > > > say. > > > > > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the > > form > > > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > > > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, > > there is > > > maybe only One Mind. > > > > > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > > > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > > > experience; it is the filter that you use to > > perceive > > > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there > > must be > > > separation for it to exist as you state above and > > so, > > > there is separation. You create " your world " and > > > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > > > realizing that it is being done. It is done > > > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > > > here making up worlds. Some believe that others > > can > > > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > > > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > > > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > > > > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > > > possible. No such world exists except in an > > impossible > > > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where > > everyone > > > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > > > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > > > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true > > intersubjective > > > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " > > " Nirvana " > > > " Silence " dies hard. > > > > > > > > > I believe the next step in human evolution is that > > we will become > > integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead > > to and force a > > higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This > > new higher holon > > will transcend and embrace our current way of life. > > And this new state > > of being will by far surpass any form of > > intelligence known today. We > > will all become that intelligence yet we will still > > at the same time > > be our individual selves. > > > > I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, > > because it is of > > course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have > > a childish hope > > that this or something similar will happen in my > > lifetime. > > > > al. > > > Lewis: Imagination is a wondrous faculty. > I was thinking about how such enormous intelligence as a global mind could operate. An example would be that I want to bring across a message to you, or to a group like this, but instead of sending a text message I use this higher form of intelligence and create a motion picture in the blink of an eye and " post " it on the global screen of awareness. The movie produced would be like a real movie with real actors and actresses, created within a nanosecond and costing no money to produce. Just a little smarter form of thinking needed. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Friday, April 15, 2005 11:40 AM > Re: The Big C > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > *** New stuff > > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > > into me without me having anything to say about it, > > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > > on strings. > > > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > > manage to stop thinking. > > > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > > directly. It may take some time for me to develop this > > ability. > > > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > > through the use or application of the faculty of will. > > > How do you know that? Will is not limited to only thought. > > > > > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > > I experience. > > > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to > > say. > > > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form > > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is > > maybe only One Mind. > > > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > > experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive > > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be > > separation for it to exist as you state above and so, > > there is separation. You create " your world " and > > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > > realizing that it is being done. It is done > > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > > here making up worlds. Some believe that others can > > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > > possible. No such world exists except in an impossible > > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone > > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective > > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " > > " Silence " dies hard. > > > > > I believe the next step in human evolution is that we will become > integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead to and force a > higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This new higher holon > will transcend and embrace our current way of life. And this new state > of being will by far surpass any form of intelligence known today. We > will all become that intelligence yet we will still at the same time > be our individual selves. > > I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, because it is of > course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have a childish hope > that this or something similar will happen in my lifetime. > > al. > > > > > al. > It is already happening. Remember, on one 'level' the universe is finished, completed. The unified experience of Being, is always holistic, synchronistic and a completed synergy. > > As each spark of the life-as-divine-completeness recognizes itself as This, the light that This is becomes manifest, taking the All of its pieces/parts with it AS it. > > Have you looked into the 'other's eyes' > lately? Have you listened to what was really being said? The amazing grace of This Seeing is the 'other' recognizing One-self in 'your' seeing... > > What could this Seeing Be? > > Peace? Love? > > Anna. > > I only experience separation. But the more I observe the thinking in me the more I see that this separation is a kind of a clever trick. My mind is talking to itself and creates the other. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, April 15, 2005 11:40 AM > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > *** New stuff > > > > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > > > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > > > into me without me having anything to say about it, > > > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > > > on strings. > > > > > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > > > manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > > > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > > > directly. It may take some time for me to develop this > > > ability. > > > > > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > > > through the use or application of the faculty of will. > > > > > > How do you know that? Will is not limited to only thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > > > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > > > > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > > > > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > > > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > > > I experience. > > > > > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > > > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > > > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > > > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > > > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to > > > say. > > > > > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form > > > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > > > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is > > > maybe only One Mind. > > > > > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > > > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > > > experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive > > > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be > > > separation for it to exist as you state above and so, > > > there is separation. You create " your world " and > > > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > > > realizing that it is being done. It is done > > > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > > > here making up worlds. Some believe that others can > > > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > > > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > > > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > > > > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > > > possible. No such world exists except in an impossible > > > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone > > > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > > > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > > > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective > > > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " > > > " Silence " dies hard. > > > > > > > > > I believe the next step in human evolution is that we will become > > integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead to and force a > > higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This new higher holon > > will transcend and embrace our current way of life. And this new state > > of being will by far surpass any form of intelligence known today. We > > will all become that intelligence yet we will still at the same time > > be our individual selves. > > > > I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, because it is of > > course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have a childish hope > > that this or something similar will happen in my lifetime. > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > It is already happening. Remember, on one 'level' the universe is > finished, completed. The unified experience of Being, is always > holistic, synchronistic and a completed synergy. > > > > As each spark of the life-as-divine-completeness recognizes itself > as This, the light that This is becomes manifest, taking the All of > its pieces/parts with it AS it. > > > > Have you looked into the 'other's eyes' > > lately? Have you listened to what was really being said? The > amazing grace of This Seeing is the 'other' recognizing One-self in > 'your' seeing... > > > > What could this Seeing Be? > > > > Peace? Love? > > > > Anna. > > > > > > I only experience separation. But the more I observe the thinking in > me the more I see that this separation is a kind of a clever trick. My > mind is talking to itself and creates the other. > > al. Your mind? Doreme Faso Latedo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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