Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, April 15, 2005 11:40 AM > > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > *** New stuff > > > > > > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > > > > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > > > > into me without me having anything to say about it, > > > > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > > > > on strings. > > > > > > > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > > > > manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > > > > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > > > > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > > > > directly. It may take some time for me to develop this > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > > > > through the use or application of the faculty of will. > > > > > > > > > How do you know that? Will is not limited to only thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > > > > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > > > > > > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > > > > > > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > > > > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > > > > I experience. > > > > > > > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > > > > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > > > > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > > > > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > > > > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to > > > > say. > > > > > > > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form > > > > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > > > > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is > > > > maybe only One Mind. > > > > > > > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > > > > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > > > > experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive > > > > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be > > > > separation for it to exist as you state above and so, > > > > there is separation. You create " your world " and > > > > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > > > > realizing that it is being done. It is done > > > > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > > > > here making up worlds. Some believe that others can > > > > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > > > > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > > > > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > > > > > > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > > > > possible. No such world exists except in an impossible > > > > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone > > > > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > > > > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > > > > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective > > > > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " > > > > " Silence " dies hard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the next step in human evolution is that we will become > > > integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead to and force a > > > higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This new higher holon > > > will transcend and embrace our current way of life. And this new state > > > of being will by far surpass any form of intelligence known today. We > > > will all become that intelligence yet we will still at the same time > > > be our individual selves. > > > > > > I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, because it is of > > > course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have a childish hope > > > that this or something similar will happen in my lifetime. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > It is already happening. Remember, on one 'level' the universe is > > finished, completed. The unified experience of Being, is always > > holistic, synchronistic and a completed synergy. > > > > > > As each spark of the life-as-divine-completeness recognizes itself > > as This, the light that This is becomes manifest, taking the All of > > its pieces/parts with it AS it. > > > > > > Have you looked into the 'other's eyes' > > > lately? Have you listened to what was really being said? The > > amazing grace of This Seeing is the 'other' recognizing One-self in > > 'your' seeing... > > > > > > What could this Seeing Be? > > > > > > Peace? Love? > > > > > > Anna. > > > > > > > > > > I only experience separation. But the more I observe the thinking in > > me the more I see that this separation is a kind of a clever trick. My > > mind is talking to itself and creates the other. > > > > al. > > > Your mind? > > > > Doreme Faso Latedo No my thoughts! How very tricky! And the 'my' is also a part of thought. Double-tricky. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Friday, April 15, 2005 12:33 PM Re: The Big C Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > anders_lindman > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, April 15, 2005 11:40 AM > > > Re: The Big C > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > *** New stuff > > > > > > > > Anders: If life is running the show and I am just not > > > > thinking but rather that _all_ thoughts are forced > > > > into me without me having anything to say about it, > > > > that sounds not good at all. Sound like being a puppet > > > > on strings. > > > > > > > > Lewis: Test it out. Try to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > Anders: I can try. It may take a while before I can > > > > manage to stop thinking. > > > > > > > > Lewis: What can be said for fmraedy's idea since you > > > > cannot stop thinking at will? > > > > > > > > ***Anders: That my will does not always function > > > > directly. It may take some time for me to develop this > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > ***Lewis: Cessation of thinking cannot come about > > > > through the use or application of the faculty of will. > > > > > > > > > How do you know that? Will is not limited to only thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders: It must be more true that I _am_ life itself > > > > and that I am really not separate from anything. > > > > > > > > Lewis: How would you know that? > > > > > > > > Anders: I am not separate from what I experience at > > > > least. If I was separate I would not be aware of what > > > > I experience. > > > > > > > > Lewis: If you were not separate from your experience > > > > Anders, you could not write a word about it. It is > > > > separateness that allows analytics; it is the " pulling > > > > out " of an experience and I and other that makes it > > > > possible to describe. Otherwise, there is nothing to > > > > say. > > > > > > > > ***Anders: Of course there is separation in the form > > > > of experience. Without that kind of separation the > > > > world could not exist. But on a deeper level, there is > > > > maybe only One Mind. > > > > > > > > ***Lewis: What is your definition of the world, > > > > Anders? Your definition defines how and what you > > > > experience; it is the filter that you use to perceive > > > > what is in " your world. " In " your world " there must be > > > > separation for it to exist as you state above and so, > > > > there is separation. You create " your world " and > > > > recreate " your world " and its conditions without > > > > realizing that it is being done. It is done > > > > consciously and not so. This is what everyone does > > > > here making up worlds. Some believe that others can > > > > experience as they do; " My world is the world of > > > > _______ come and visit and see the truth. This is > > > > self-centered thinking, nothing more. > > > > > > > > Finding the one true intersubjective world is not > > > > possible. No such world exists except in an impossible > > > > " complete spiritual totalitarianism " where everyone > > > > experiences THAT and everyone winks at each other > > > > thinking that THAT which is experienced is exactly > > > > same; " We got it. " The myth of a true intersubjective > > > > world ( " What is " , " This " " Here " " Now " " THAT " " Nirvana " > > > > " Silence " dies hard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the next step in human evolution is that we will become > > > integrated as One Mind. The world conflict will lead to and force a > > > higher state of being to emerge on this planet. This new higher holon > > > will transcend and embrace our current way of life. And this new state > > > of being will by far surpass any form of intelligence known today. We > > > will all become that intelligence yet we will still at the same time > > > be our individual selves. > > > > > > I may not _exactly_ believe in the above theory, because it is of > > > course a very far-fetched fantasy vision. But I have a childish hope > > > that this or something similar will happen in my lifetime. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > It is already happening. Remember, on one 'level' the universe is > > finished, completed. The unified experience of Being, is always > > holistic, synchronistic and a completed synergy. > > > > > > As each spark of the life-as-divine-completeness recognizes itself > > as This, the light that This is becomes manifest, taking the All of > > its pieces/parts with it AS it. > > > > > > Have you looked into the 'other's eyes' > > > lately? Have you listened to what was really being said? The > > amazing grace of This Seeing is the 'other' recognizing One-self in > > 'your' seeing... > > > > > > What could this Seeing Be? > > > > > > Peace? Love? > > > > > > Anna. > > > > > > > > > > I only experience separation. But the more I observe the thinking in > > me the more I see that this separation is a kind of a clever trick. My > > mind is talking to itself and creates the other. > > > > al. > > > Your mind? > > > > Doreme Faso Latedo No my thoughts! How very tricky! And the 'my' is also a part of thought. Double-tricky. al. OR: there is no-show to take 'on the road' (listening, Mr. E?) Just a song in one's heart...(mine today alternates between:) *There's a River... *Everything is Beautiful (in its own Way..) *There's a Song in My Heart (I alone..) *Knock 3 times on the ceiling (if you want me) I'm going to throw up now.... 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > I only experience separation. But the more I observe the thinking in > > > me the more I see that this separation is a kind of a clever trick. My > > > mind is talking to itself and creates the other. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > Your mind? > > > > > > > > Doreme Faso Latedo > > > > No my thoughts! How very tricky! And the 'my' is also a part of > thought. Double-tricky. > > al. > > > > > OR: > there is no-show to take 'on the road' > (listening, Mr. E?) Just a song in one's heart...(mine today alternates between:) > > *There's a River... > *Everything is Beautiful (in its own Way..) > *There's a Song in My Heart (I alone..) > *Knock 3 times on the ceiling (if you want me) > > I'm going to throw up now.... > > > Have a great day!!! Of course I'm listening. I even watched you throw up. For some reason, I've got Tom Jones' " It's Not Unusual " spinning around in my head. Kinda odd. I wonder if I may not have picked up a meme somewhere along the Way. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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