Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Thank you, Werner, you made me thoughtful... and I want to add something... Yes, Werner, I am " hooked " and moreover, I am full of fear... After your emails, Werner, it suddenly struck me: I love my wive, I love my son. The idea that something could happen to them makes me tremble with fear. The awareness that certainly something will happen to them sooner or later makes no difference. I am a social animal. And (I already said it) I want to attract. I want to be loved. I want to be heard. I want to breath and to live and to make music and to dance. And if someone would try to kill me: I would do everything to stop him. And I drive carefully because I am affraid to kill someone or to be killed. I am so much hooked, so completely hooked to life... and just one small shift has made the whole big difference, without really changing anything: the acceptance, the allowing of all that hookedness. The acceptance of this tremendous suffering. This acceptance of non-acceptance, this helplessness... Love your ever adolescent Gary Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Hi Gary Cooper, Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see how you tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Thank you, Werner, you made me thoughtful... and I want to add > something... > > Yes, Werner, I am " hooked " and moreover, I am full of fear... After > your emails, Werner, it suddenly struck me: I love my wive, I love my > son. The idea that something could happen to them makes me tremble > with fear. The awareness that certainly something will happen to them > sooner or later makes no difference. I am a social animal. > > And (I already said it) I want to attract. I want to be loved. I want > to be heard. I want to breath and to live and to make music and to > dance. And if someone would try to kill me: I would do everything to > stop him. > > And I drive carefully because I am affraid to kill someone or to be > killed. I am so much hooked, so completely hooked to life... and just > one small shift has made the whole big difference, without really > changing anything: the acceptance, the allowing of all that > hookedness. The acceptance of this tremendous suffering. This > acceptance of non-acceptance, this helplessness... > > Love > your ever adolescent Gary Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Hi Werner and Gary Cooper: see, that's the Fear--Loving All That Is So wholeheartedly that to see a butterfly drop would be to break One's Heart.. and die.. anna - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Friday, April 15, 2005 7:19 AM Re: Hooked to Werner Hi Gary Cooper, Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see how you tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Thank you, Werner, you made me thoughtful... and I want to add > something... > > Yes, Werner, I am " hooked " and moreover, I am full of fear... After > your emails, Werner, it suddenly struck me: I love my wive, I love my > son. The idea that something could happen to them makes me tremble > with fear. The awareness that certainly something will happen to them > sooner or later makes no difference. I am a social animal. > > And (I already said it) I want to attract. I want to be loved. I want > to be heard. I want to breath and to live and to make music and to > dance. And if someone would try to kill me: I would do everything to > stop him. > > And I drive carefully because I am affraid to kill someone or to be > killed. I am so much hooked, so completely hooked to life... and just > one small shift has made the whole big difference, without really > changing anything: the acceptance, the allowing of all that > hookedness. The acceptance of this tremendous suffering. This > acceptance of non-acceptance, this helplessness... > > Love > your ever adolescent Gary Cooper ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Thank you, Werner, you made me thoughtful... and I want to add > something... > > Yes, Werner, I am " hooked " and moreover, I am full of fear... After > your emails, Werner, it suddenly struck me: I love my wive, I love my > son. The idea that something could happen to them makes me tremble > with fear. The awareness that certainly something will happen to them > sooner or later makes no difference. I am a social animal. > > And (I already said it) I want to attract. I want to be loved. I want > to be heard. I want to breath and to live and to make music and to > dance. And if someone would try to kill me: I would do everything to > stop him. > > And I drive carefully because I am affraid to kill someone or to be > killed. I am so much hooked, so completely hooked to life... and just > one small shift has made the whole big difference, without really > changing anything: the acceptance, the allowing of all that > hookedness. The acceptance of this tremendous suffering. This > acceptance of non-acceptance, this helplessness... > > Love > your ever adolescent Gary Cooper All identified entities labor under the burden of oppressive terror. Including my self. Few are willing to look at that......fewer are willing to admit it publicly. a bow toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: >All identified entities labor under the burden of oppressive terror. If you want to call it so... but maybe it is just this very judgment that creates the suffering... >Including my self. also a bow. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: >Hi Gary Cooper, >Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see how you >tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. Oh Werner... if you only could tell me: start with -what- ??? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Very simple: To start with what is and not with what should be. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > >Hi Gary Cooper, > > >Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see how > you >tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. > > Oh Werner... if you only could tell me: start with -what- ??? > > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >Hi Werner and Gary Cooper: > >see, that's the Fear--Loving All That Is >So wholeheartedly >that to see a butterfly drop >would be to break One's >Heart.. and die.. yes thats the fear. and also the bliss. tears of trust. then openness. thank you, anna S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > >All identified entities labor under the burden of oppressive terror. > > If you want to call it so... but maybe it is just this very judgment > that creates the suffering... > > >Including my self. > > also a bow. > > S. Over the door into hell is a small sign: I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Very simple: > > To start with what is and not with what should be. > > Werner > Trying to accept " what is " ..............isn't toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > >All identified entities labor under the burden of oppressive terror. > > > > If you want to call it so... but maybe it is just this very judgment > > that creates the suffering... > > > > >Including my self. > > > > also a bow. > > > > S. > > > > > Over the door into hell is a small sign: > > > I am Over the door into Heaven is a big neon sign: We are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > >Very simple: > >To start with what is and not with what should be. Hi Werner, I got used to the fact that we always seem to talk missing each others point. I guess thats a good exercise for me :-) Well... of course I understood that you said this is the point where I can start. My question was: I have not the slightest idea with what shall I start? With thinking, with meditating... with what? What do you mean? And with what aim anyway? Hope this was more clear... Stefan > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Gary Cooper, > > > > >Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see how > > you >tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. > > > > Oh Werner... if you only could tell me: start with -what- ??? > > > > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Oh my God, Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees his life?: " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself an ecstasy. " Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > >Very simple: > > > >To start with what is and not with what should be. > > Hi Werner, > > I got used to the fact that we always seem to talk missing each others > point. I guess thats a good exercise for me :-) > > Well... of course I understood that you said this is the point where I > can start. My question was: I have not the slightest idea with what > shall I start? With thinking, with meditating... with what? What do > you mean? And with what aim anyway? > > Hope this was more clear... > Stefan > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Gary Cooper, > > > > > > >Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see > how > > > you >tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. > > > > > > Oh Werner... if you only could tell me: start with -what- ??? > > > > > > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Oh my God, > > Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees his > life?: > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself an > ecstasy. " This sounds very good to me. Having to struggle with life is so stupid. " Life ceases to be a task... " That's natural intelligence, or as J. Krishnamurti would say: The awakening of intelligence. Or as Eckhart Tolle says: " What is there to think about? This moment is so alive and so vast... " and " ...thought is small... " and " ...you simply look, and in that clarity you KNOW beyond thought what to do... " al. > > Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > >Very simple: > > > > > >To start with what is and not with what should be. > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > I got used to the fact that we always seem to talk missing each > others > > point. I guess thats a good exercise for me :-) > > > > Well... of course I understood that you said this is the point > where I > > can start. My question was: I have not the slightest idea with what > > shall I start? With thinking, with meditating... with what? What do > > you mean? And with what aim anyway? > > > > Hope this was more clear... > > Stefan > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi Gary Cooper, > > > > > > > > >Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see > > how > > > > you >tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. > > > > > > > > Oh Werner... if you only could tell me: start with -what- ??? > > > > > > > > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Yes Anders, That indeed sounds very good and I really wish that it soon will happen to you (and for everyone else here and for me too). Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Oh my God, > > > > Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees his > > life?: > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself an > > ecstasy. " > > > This sounds very good to me. Having to struggle with life is so > stupid. " Life ceases to be a task... " That's natural intelligence, or > as J. Krishnamurti would say: The awakening of intelligence. Or as > Eckhart Tolle says: " What is there to think about? This moment is so > alive and so vast... " and " ...thought is small... " and " ...you simply > look, and in that clarity you KNOW beyond thought what to do... " > > al. > > > > > > Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >Very simple: > > > > > > > >To start with what is and not with what should be. > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > I got used to the fact that we always seem to talk missing each > > others > > > point. I guess thats a good exercise for me :-) > > > > > > Well... of course I understood that you said this is the point > > where I > > > can start. My question was: I have not the slightest idea with what > > > shall I start? With thinking, with meditating... with what? What do > > > you mean? And with what aim anyway? > > > > > > Hope this was more clear... > > > Stefan > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Gary Cooper, > > > > > > > > > > >Congrats. What you wrote sounded a bit melodramatic but to see > > > how > > > > > you >tick and to accept it is the best you can start with. > > > > > > > > > > Oh Werner... if you only could tell me: start with -what- ??? > > > > > > > > > > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > >Oh my God, > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees his >life?: > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself an ecstasy. " > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know with what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know yourself?! Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis Trenker. How does this sound to you? I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta quote, lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing the natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life brings. (from I am That) Hmmm... Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > >Oh my God, > > > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees > his > >life?: > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself > an ecstasy. " > > > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are > either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know with > what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know yourself?! > Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis Trenker. > How does this sound to you? > > I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta quote, > lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: > > Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? > M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, > watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing the > natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life > brings. (from I am That) > > Hmmm... > Stefan Allowing suffering? Sorry, that I cannot do. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Friday, April 15, 2005 5:28 PM Re: Hooked to Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > >Oh my God, > > > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees > his > >life?: > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself > an ecstasy. " > > > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are > either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know with > what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know yourself?! > Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis Trenker. > How does this sound to you? > > I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta quote, > lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: > > Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? > M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, > watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing the > natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life > brings. (from I am That) > > Hmmm... > Stefan Allowing suffering? Sorry, that I cannot do. al. Allo Al, You have my complete attention. Do you mean 'suffering' is not in the " I am That " ? (Which is essentially I am This) Or in the 'i' that/who suffers? And what is suffering to " al. " ? Or are you sorry you no longer ''suffer " ? (I will be leaving for appointments shortly so I won't be able to continue with this) Love, Anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Stefan, Maybe when in a conversation you better should restrict yourself on offering hugs and avoid thinking. As soon as you start thinking the conversation gets crooked and ends up in more and more confusion. Or do you use confusion as a weapon ? Thats also a possibility. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > >Oh my God, > > > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees > his > >life?: > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself > an ecstasy. " > > > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are > either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know with > what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know yourself?! > Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis Trenker. > How does this sound to you? > > I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta quote, > lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: > > Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? > M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, > watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing the > natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life > brings. (from I am That) > > Hmmm... > Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Oh my God, > > Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees his > life?: > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself an > ecstasy. " > > Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > Werner > He was talking about the effects of the realization....not its cause. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > Allowing suffering? Sorry, that I cannot do. > > al. > > > > > Allo Al, > > You have my complete attention. > > Do you mean 'suffering' is not in the " I am That " ? (Which is essentially I am This) Or in the 'i' that/who suffers? And what is suffering to " al. " ? Or are you sorry you no longer ''suffer " ? > > (I will be leaving for appointments shortly so I won't be able to continue with this) > > Love, > Anna > Astral hugs to you and AL. I'm outta here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > >Oh my God, > > > > > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees > > his > > >life?: > > > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself > > an ecstasy. " > > > > > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > > > Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are > > either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know with > > what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know yourself?! > > Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis Trenker. > > How does this sound to you? > > > > I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta quote, > > lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: > > > > Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? > > M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, > > watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing the > > natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life > > brings. (from I am That) > > > > Hmmm... > > Stefan > > > Allowing suffering? Sorry, that I cannot do. > > al. Thinking that you can or can't...is the mother of suffering. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Friday, April 15, 2005 5:28 PM > Re: Hooked to Werner > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > >Oh my God, > > > > > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz sees > > his > > >life?: > > > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself > > an ecstasy. " > > > > > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > > > Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are > > either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know with > > what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know yourself?! > > Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis Trenker. > > How does this sound to you? > > > > I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta quote, > > lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: > > > > Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? > > M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, > > watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing the > > natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life > > brings. (from I am That) > > > > Hmmm... > > Stefan > > > Allowing suffering? Sorry, that I cannot do. > > al. > > > > > Allo Al, > > You have my complete attention. > > Do you mean 'suffering' is not in the " I am That " ? (Which is essentially I am This) Or in the 'i' that/who suffers? And what is suffering to " al. " ? Or are you sorry you no longer ''suffer " ? > > (I will be leaving for appointments shortly so I won't be able to continue with this) > > Love, > Anna > It is clear to see that suffering is not very smart. Would you put your hand on a hot stove and hold it there? Not very smart. Fear, anxiety, hatred, boredom, loneliness, restlessness, agony, pain, illness, aging, e t c are maybe needed to give a contrast to what is good, but like a hot stove, this contrast can exist without intelligent beings chosing to suffer from direct contact with those things. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > >Stefan, > >Maybe when in a conversation you better should restrict yourself on >offering hugs and avoid thinking. Maybe... and I give this back to you. To the one who " thinks " everything is in his head. But is still not " Manns genug " to stand behind what he " thinks " . But you may start from this. There is hope. Good bye to all. There were amazing moments. Good bye Lewis, I did not expect this from written words. Yours, adolescent, maybe soon childish, full of LOVE Stefan, Achileas, Nasrudin, Cooper, Sangit Om... (follows as a good bye present another Nisargadatta quote) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >Oh my God, > > > > > > > >Stefan, I cannot answer your question but what about how Niz > sees > > > his > > > >life?: > > > > > > > > " Life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in > itself > > > an ecstasy. " > > > > > > > >Ok ok, forgive me, it was meant as joke. > > > > > > Maybe I am a bit... dumb today. " Oh my God " sounds as if you are > > > either surprised or bored, I cannot decide. Well, I didnt know > with > > > what to start or where to go. And now... you didnt know > yourself?! > > > Ha! So we can hug each other... Gary Cooper is hugging Louis > Trenker. > > > How does this sound to you? > > > > > > I cant resist, hooked as I am, to give you another Nisargadatta > quote, > > > lets say in the manner of a cheerful quote exchange: > > > > > > Q:Can I avoid this protracted battle with my mind? > > > M:Yes, you can. Just live your life as it comes, but alertly, > > > watchfully, allowing everything to happen as it happens, doing > the > > > natural things the natural way, suffering, rejoicing -- as life > > > brings. (from I am That) > > > > > > Hmmm... > > > Stefan > > > > > > Allowing suffering? Sorry, that I cannot do. > > > > al. > > > > > Thinking that you can or can't...is the mother of suffering. > > > toombaru Yes, and to paraphrase the late, great, Johnny Cochran: " What you resist, will surely persist. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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