Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Leaving some place in a dream....really isn't leaving. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Are you dreaming that there is a dream you can comment about? > > > > > > Are you dreaming that you commented about a dream? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Oh Dan.......no one's dreaming... > > > > Are the people in your dreams at night dreaming? > > > > No...........There are no people..........there.....or here. > > > > > > There is only the dream....dreaming. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ** " there is only... " statements are nonsensical. > Some kind of separate observer assumption is involved, > but not examined/inquired-into. > > " There is only the dream " ... " there is only Consciousness " > " there is only God " .... " there is only Love, " etc.-- all of a > kind, > as statements go. Something affirmed, something thereby denied > and vice-versa. A circular exercise of descriptions, only-- > but mistaken as some ultimate verity, or actuality. > > Yes, you're right when you point out that there are no > entities, things (as such) and objects. But same applies to > 'the dream,' as if it were an object. > > So, no dream, no 'mystery,' no 'illusion,' whatsoever--just the > inability to perceive the obvious-- directly. > > Ken Yes, quite so, Ken. You make a good point about how many versions of this there are: there is only god, only the dream, only consciousness, only iam, etc. So popular to say something that sounds good about the way that everything is, and sounds like something is being said that means something. But it could just as well be: there is only myxiplexis. " the tao that can be tao'd is not the tao. " Lao Tzu -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leaving some place in a dream....really isn't leaving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Are you dreaming that there is a dream you can comment about? > > > > > > > > > > Are you dreaming that you commented about a dream? > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Dan.......no one's dreaming... > > > > > > > > Are the people in your dreams at night dreaming? > > > > > > > > No...........There are no people..........there.....or here. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the dream....dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No, there isn't. > > > > > > What makes you think there's a dream? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > This. > > ** No way. No dream survives the annihilation which is > This, which is...Now. > > And now, this.... > > -Dan Rather > > ;=) Funny, Ken, and quite so. Only being shattered shows the truth beyond shattering. Only dying allows knowing what doesn't die. Many talk, few know. Of those few, none remain where not-a-thing is. So much talk, so many selves to spend time listening to, as they assert their nonselfhood. :-) The vista here is endless, the sky spotless. One can roll the universe into a little dot and swallow it. And here's a toast to your health, Ken, this Schweppes for you! Long may you wave! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: >> > Funny, Ken, and quite so. > > Only being shattered shows the truth beyond shattering. > > Only dying allows knowing what doesn't die. > > Many talk, few know. > > ********** Exactly, and the " emotional cases " go round and round. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> > wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leaving some place in a dream....really isn't leaving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you dreaming that there is a dream you can comment > about? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you dreaming that you commented about a dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Dan.......no one's dreaming... > > > > > > > > > > Are the people in your dreams at night dreaming? > > > > > > > > > > No...........There are no people..........there.....or here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the dream....dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No, there isn't. > > > > > > > > What makes you think there's a dream? > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This. > > > > ** No way. No dream survives the annihilation which is > > This, which is...Now. > > > > And now, this.... > > > > -Dan Rather > > > > ;=) > > Funny, Ken, and quite so. > > Only being shattered shows the truth beyond shattering. > > Only dying allows knowing what doesn't die. > > Many talk, few know. > > Of those few, none remain where not-a-thing is. > > So much talk, so many selves to spend time > listening to, as they assert their nonselfhood. :-) > > The vista here is endless, the sky spotless. > > One can roll the universe into a little dot and swallow it. > > And here's a toast to your health, Ken, this Schweppes for you! > > Long may you wave! > > -- Dan ** Bows, my friend. Yes, the more we talk like this, the more fascination I notice in ...um...other quarters! Is there any *looking* at this egregious conceptual orgy...'out there??? Forces are aggregating to suggest " Hey! Constructions ain't it! " You and yours die...so *this* can live! All your prettified, deoderized ashes are STILL ASHES. " Dust to dust! " Your (attempted/failed) self is, at root, an emotional problem. Put away the things of childhood! *This* is utter non-support. (Well, as one might guess, I was out of Schweppes, and had to resort to Cotes-du-Rhone.) ;+] Cheers, Dano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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