Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is only the dream....dreaming. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No, there isn't. > > > What makes you think there's a dream? > > > -- Dan > > > > He hasn't quite grasped the " difficult " concept - metaphor. > > Indeed. It's a teaching metaphor, not an accurate > description of " what is " -- of which there aren't any. > > > He read somewhere (probably Wei Wu Wei) that " there is only the > dream > > dreaming " (WWW probably didn't use the silly ellipses for effect > as T > > can't seem to help from using, ad infinitum), but failed to > discover > > (or WWW didn't know it either), that it's just a metaphor, the very > > idea is just a metaphor, not to be taken concretely as DOGMA. > > Agreed. > > Teaching metaphors have their uses in certain conversations, > then are dropped. > > Repeated over and over, used out of context, > they become a kind of anchoring device for > a believing mind (and that's all a mind is, > the repetition of attempts to hold and fix > a system of symbols, images, and ideas. > > The metaphor may be used as if a substitute > for knowing directly, but direct knowing involves > no metaphor, no symbol, no mediation. > > -- D. Nicely said, Dan. Crisp, concise and above all, intelligent. It never hurts to be reminded that the map just ain't the territory, no matter how many times we confuse the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is only the dream....dreaming. > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No, there isn't. > > > > What makes you think there's a dream? > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > He hasn't quite grasped the " difficult " concept - metaphor. > > > > Indeed. It's a teaching metaphor, not an accurate > > description of " what is " -- of which there aren't any. > > > > > He read somewhere (probably Wei Wu Wei) that " there is only the > > dream > > > dreaming " (WWW probably didn't use the silly ellipses for effect > > as T > > > can't seem to help from using, ad infinitum), but failed to > > discover > > > (or WWW didn't know it either), that it's just a metaphor, the > very > > > idea is just a metaphor, not to be taken concretely as DOGMA. > > > > Agreed. > > > > Teaching metaphors have their uses in certain conversations, > > then are dropped. > > > > Repeated over and over, used out of context, > > they become a kind of anchoring device for > > a believing mind (and that's all a mind is, > > the repetition of attempts to hold and fix > > a system of symbols, images, and ideas. > > > > The metaphor may be used as if a substitute > > for knowing directly, but direct knowing involves > > no metaphor, no symbol, no mediation. > > > > -- D. > > Nicely said, Dan. Crisp, concise and above all, intelligent. It > never hurts to be reminded that the map just ain't the territory, no > matter how many times we confuse the two. The map....... is the only territory there is. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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