Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 P: Since you are in a wondering mood, when not, right? > > > Anyway, since you are wondering, why not wonder > > > about this: could there be suffering without short term > > > memory (and I don't mean any memory of Mrs. Short > > > is dukkha) Well, you know what I mean, those people > > > who can't remember what hapened a few seconds ago. > > > > > > So, is mental suffering solely a product of memory? If > > > your dearest die, but you forget about her death in a few > > > seconds, and no matter how often you are reminded you > > > forget, could you suffer? Even physical pain needs > > > memory to be really painful does it not? If it's ever fresh, > > > of this very moment, then it becomes quiet endurable, > > > is it not so? > > > > > > Pete > > > > AC:Does having 'memory' of something needs to mean, > > ... " be thinking " about it ??? > > > P: Not necessarily thinking as the movement of thoughts, > but bringing and holding into focus a memory, or a sensation, > an emotion, or an image, etc. > > > > What is there when you are NOT thinking ? > > ...is it Dukkha? > > > P: Thinking is not the only form of knowing, > a scalded dog shies from a pot of hot water. > If you learn the trick of " not taking delivery > of what happens, " as Maharaj put it, then > each moment of dukkha appears and disappears > on its own, and we don't trail a stream of painful, > noisy, empty dukkha cans like a newlywed car. > > Pete T: The attempt to " not take delivery of what happens " .....is the problem...not the solution. P: Attempt is your choice of word, not mine. There is no attempt here. It just happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > P: Since you are in a wondering mood, when not, right? > > > > Anyway, since you are wondering, why not wonder > > > > about this: could there be suffering without short term > > > > memory (and I don't mean any memory of Mrs. Short > > > > is dukkha) Well, you know what I mean, those people > > > > who can't remember what hapened a few seconds ago. > > > > > > > > So, is mental suffering solely a product of memory? If > > > > your dearest die, but you forget about her death in a few > > > > seconds, and no matter how often you are reminded you > > > > forget, could you suffer? Even physical pain needs > > > > memory to be really painful does it not? If it's ever fresh, > > > > of this very moment, then it becomes quiet endurable, > > > > is it not so? > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > AC:Does having 'memory' of something needs to mean, > > > ... " be thinking " about it ??? > > > > > P: Not necessarily thinking as the movement of thoughts, > > but bringing and holding into focus a memory, or a sensation, > > an emotion, or an image, etc. > > > > > > What is there when you are NOT thinking ? > > > ...is it Dukkha? > > > > > P: Thinking is not the only form of knowing, > > a scalded dog shies from a pot of hot water. > > If you learn the trick of " not taking delivery > > of what happens, " as Maharaj put it, then > > each moment of dukkha appears and disappears > > on its own, and we don't trail a stream of painful, > > noisy, empty dukkha cans like a newlywed car. > > > > Pete > > > > T: The attempt to " not take delivery of what happens " .....is the > problem...not the > solution. > > P: Attempt is your choice of word, not mine. There is no attempt here. It > just happens. > The " trick " of not taking delivery of what is...is mental illness. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 In a message dated 4/18/05 7:32:42 PM, cptc writes: > The " trick " of not taking delivery of what is...is mental illness. > > > > toombaru > P: Do you consider yourself an example of sanity? Insanity comes in two flavors. One produces abnormal happinness, the other extreme dukkha. Which one do you have for breakfast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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