Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > ><<snip>> > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > al. > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should be un-learning, not learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Hi Mr.E, As far I understood K, his teaching is about learning to unlearn. For example, if I learn about my prejudices they will fade away. Or if I learn that my being vulnerable has its roots in seeking 'love' (which is nothing else than my longing to get comforted, to find acceptance). So, unlearning is not an activity but rather a resulting inactivity caused by active learning. Werner Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > ><<snip>> > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > al. > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > be un-learning, not learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > ><<snip>> > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > al. > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > be un-learning, not learning. Krishnamurti was a tricky fellow. He used words in his own way giving them new meanings. By learning he meant the process of taking in the new. The usual meaning of the word learning is to gather more and more knowledge. Krishnamurti stressed the importance of _freedom_ from knowledge, and freedom from accumulating more and more knowledge as a means of fortifying the sense of self. Thus, learning in his meaning of the word is constant re-learning as far as the sense of self is concerned. My own idea is that the ordinary person acts from a base of knowledge, while the sage acts from a state of learning. Knowledge is good, but when a person identify herself or himself with that knowledge true learning has stopped. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 AM Re: Forgetaboutit ! Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > ><<snip>> > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > al. > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > be un-learning, not learning. Krishnamurti was a tricky fellow. He used words in his own way giving them new meanings. By learning he meant the process of taking in the new. The usual meaning of the word learning is to gather more and more knowledge. Krishnamurti stressed the importance of _freedom_ from knowledge, and freedom from accumulating more and more knowledge as a means of fortifying the sense of self. Thus, learning in his meaning of the word is constant re-learning as far as the sense of self is concerned. My own idea is that the ordinary person acts from a base of knowledge, while the sage acts from a state of learning. Knowledge is good, but when a person identify herself or himself with that knowledge true learning has stopped. al. If one listened very carefully to Krishnamurti's words, the mind is stopped. In an undescribable state of something akin to no-mind, previously held cherished thoughts, are exposed and suspended for a moment, like the thought bubbles in cartoons, and then gravity takes over and these thoughts fall away.....a process once begun, continues, continuing. a. a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 AM > Re: Forgetaboutit ! > > > > Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " > <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > ><<snip>> > > > > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > > be un-learning, not learning. > > > Krishnamurti was a tricky fellow. He used words in his own way giving > them new meanings. By learning he meant the process of taking in the > new. The usual meaning of the word learning is to gather more and more > knowledge. Krishnamurti stressed the importance of _freedom_ from > knowledge, and freedom from accumulating more and more knowledge as a > means of fortifying the sense of self. Thus, learning in his meaning > of the word is constant re-learning as far as the sense of self is > concerned. > > My own idea is that the ordinary person acts from a base of knowledge, > while the sage acts from a state of learning. Knowledge is good, but > when a person identify herself or himself with that knowledge true > learning has stopped. > > al. > > > If one listened very carefully to Krishnamurti's words, the mind is stopped. In an undescribable state of > something akin to no-mind, previously held cherished thoughts, are exposed and suspended for a moment, like the thought bubbles in cartoons, and then gravity takes over and these thoughts fall away.....a process once begun, continues, continuing. > > a. > Nice description. I have not myself experienced such no-mind, but your take on gravity resonates with me. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:13 AM Re: Forgetaboutit ! Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 AM > Re: Forgetaboutit ! > > > > Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " > <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > ><<snip>> > > > > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > > be un-learning, not learning. > > > Krishnamurti was a tricky fellow. He used words in his own way giving > them new meanings. By learning he meant the process of taking in the > new. The usual meaning of the word learning is to gather more and more > knowledge. Krishnamurti stressed the importance of _freedom_ from > knowledge, and freedom from accumulating more and more knowledge as a > means of fortifying the sense of self. Thus, learning in his meaning > of the word is constant re-learning as far as the sense of self is > concerned. > > My own idea is that the ordinary person acts from a base of knowledge, > while the sage acts from a state of learning. Knowledge is good, but > when a person identify herself or himself with that knowledge true > learning has stopped. > > al. > > > If one listened very carefully to Krishnamurti's words, the mind is stopped. In an undescribable state of > something akin to no-mind, previously held cherished thoughts, are exposed and suspended for a moment, like the thought bubbles in cartoons, and then gravity takes over and these thoughts fall away.....a process once begun, continues, continuing. > > a. > Nice description. I have not myself experienced such no-mind, but your take on gravity resonates with me. al. yes you have, you may not have 'noticed' before. it's about noticing the noticing... a. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 AM > Re: Forgetaboutit ! > > > > Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " > <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > ><<snip>> > > > > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > > be un-learning, not learning. > > > Krishnamurti was a tricky fellow. He used words in his own way giving > them new meanings. By learning he meant the process of taking in the > new. The usual meaning of the word learning is to gather more and more > knowledge. Krishnamurti stressed the importance of _freedom_ from > knowledge, and freedom from accumulating more and more knowledge as a > means of fortifying the sense of self. Thus, learning in his meaning > of the word is constant re-learning as far as the sense of self is > concerned. > > My own idea is that the ordinary person acts from a base of knowledge, > while the sage acts from a state of learning. Knowledge is good, but > when a person identify herself or himself with that knowledge true > learning has stopped. > > al. > > > If one listened very carefully to Krishnamurti's words, the mind is stopped. In an undescribable state of > something akin to no-mind, previously held cherished thoughts, are exposed and suspended for a moment, like the thought bubbles in cartoons, and then gravity takes over and these thoughts fall away.....a process once begun, continues, continuing. > > a. But, the mind came back on, didn't it? It's not necessary to try to stop the mind. The mind always comes back on, anyway. The function of the mind is as natural as the function of the respiratory system or digestive system, etc. It's automatic. It's not about the body or the mind. It's about being. Being is awareness. That is what you are. Just be. Not a body, not a mind, not a thing. You are just being. Being is awareness itself; the Self. It's the be all, end all, as the saying goes. Yours, fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 - fuzzie_wuz Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:55 PM Re: Forgetaboutit ! Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 AM > Re: Forgetaboutit ! > > > > Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " > <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > ><<snip>> > > > > > > > What did J. Krishnamurti say about authority, inner and outer? What > > > did he say about learning? Are we learning? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > al, if my partial take on Krishnamurti is valid in any way, we should > > be un-learning, not learning. > > > Krishnamurti was a tricky fellow. He used words in his own way giving > them new meanings. By learning he meant the process of taking in the > new. The usual meaning of the word learning is to gather more and more > knowledge. Krishnamurti stressed the importance of _freedom_ from > knowledge, and freedom from accumulating more and more knowledge as a > means of fortifying the sense of self. Thus, learning in his meaning > of the word is constant re-learning as far as the sense of self is > concerned. > > My own idea is that the ordinary person acts from a base of knowledge, > while the sage acts from a state of learning. Knowledge is good, but > when a person identify herself or himself with that knowledge true > learning has stopped. > > al. > > > If one listened very carefully to Krishnamurti's words, the mind is stopped. In an undescribable state of > something akin to no-mind, previously held cherished thoughts, are exposed and suspended for a moment, like the thought bubbles in cartoons, and then gravity takes over and these thoughts fall away.....a process once begun, continues, continuing. > > a. But, the mind came back on, didn't it? It's not necessary to try to stop the mind. The mind always comes back on, anyway. The function of the mind is as natural as the function of the respiratory system or digestive system, etc. It's automatic. It's not about the body or the mind. It's about being. Being is awareness. That is what you are. Just be. Not a body, not a mind, not a thing. You are just being. Being is awareness itself; the Self. It's the be all, end all, as the saying goes. Yours, fuzzie\ Who is trying to stop the mind? It is as necessary to experience its Being as tasting, feeling, seeing and smelling. Being is continuous experience of What Is, right here and now including all the stuff of life. If 'you' speak of mind as a negative it is only because 'minds' mind their separative qualities. When the mind moves into 'Consciousness' and into Consciousness of Awareness and Awareness of Awareness, where was Being? It was right there, along for the ride. Not separate, ever. From mind, from body, from Self, from Other. To think there is something else other than the mind appearing as...is to mistake the misunderstanding. anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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