Ramana on realization.

[Guest guest]

D.: It is one step to realization.

M: REALIZATION IS ALREADY THERE. The

state free from thoughts is the only

real state.

 

THERE IS NO SUCH ACTION AS REALIZATION.

 

Is There Anyone Who Is Not Realizing

The Self?

 

Does Anyone Deny His Own Existence?

Speaking of realization, it implies

two selves - the one to realize, the

other to be realized. What is not

already realized, is sought to be

realized.

 

Once We Admit Our Existence,

How Is It That We Do Not Know Our Self?

 

D.: Can we not get realization

instantaneously?

M: REALIZATION IS NOTHING NEW. It is

eternal.

 

There Is No Question Of

Instantaneous Or Gradual Realization.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mr. Cohen: I get into meditation and

reach a point which may be called peace

and a contemplative mood. What should

be the next step?

 

M: Peace is Self-Realization. Peace

need not be disturbed. One should aim

at Peace only.

 

D.: But I do not have the satisfaction.

 

M: Because your peace is temporary. If

made permanent it is called Realization.

 

 

....

 

 

Talk 245.

 

Misses Gulbai and Shirinbai Byramjee,

two Parsi ladies, were asking questions

round one central point. All their

questions amounted to one.

 

" I understand that the Self is beyond

the ego. My knowledge is theoretical

and not practical. How shall I gain

practical realisation of the Self? "

 

M: Realisation is nothing to be got

afresh. It is already there. All that

is necessary is to be rid of the

thought: " I have not realised. "

 

D.: Then one need not attempt it.

 

M: No. STILLNESS OF MIND OR PEACE IS

REALISATION. There is no moment when

the Self is not.

 

 

So 'long as there is doubt or the

feeling of non-realisation, attempt

must be made to rid oneself of these

thoughts.

 

 

The thoughts are due to identification

of the Self with the nonself. When the

non-self disappears the Self alone

remains. To make room anywhere it is

enough that things are removed from

there.

 

 

Room is not brought in afresh. Nay,

more - room is there even in cramping.

Absence of thoughts does not mean a

blank. There must be one to know the

blank. Knowledge and ignorance are of

the mind. They are born of duality. But

the Self is beyond knowledge and

ignorance. It is light itself. There is

no necessity. to see the Self with

another 'Self.

 

 

There are no two selves. What is not

Self is non-self. The non-self cannot

see the Self.. The Self has no sight or

hearing. It lies beyond these - all

alone, as pure consciousness.

 

~ A woman, with her necklace round her

neck, imagines that it has been lost

and. goes about searching for it, until

she is reminded of it by a friend; she

has created her own sense of loss, her

own anxiety of search and then her own

pleasure of recovery. Similarly the

Self is all along there, whether you

search for it or not. Again just as the

woman feels as if the lost necklace has

been regained, so also the removal of

ignorance and the cessation of false

identification reveal the Self which is

always present - here and now. This is

called realisation. It is not new. It

amounts to elimination of ignorance and

nothing more.

 

 

Blankness is the evil result of

searching the mind. The mind must be

cut off, root and branch. See who the

thinker is, who the seeker is.

Abide as the thinker, the seeker. All

thoughts will disappear.

 

D.: Then there will be the ego - the

thinker. .

 

M: That ego is pure Ego purged of

thoughts. It is the same as the Self.

So ,long as false identification

persists doubts will 'persist,

questions will arise, there will be, no

end of them. Doubts will cease only

when the non-self is put an end to.

That will result in realisation of the

Self. There will. remain no other there

to doubt or ask. All these doubts

should be solved within oneself. No

amount of words .

 

will satisfy. Hold the thinker. Only

when the thinker is not held do objects

appear outside or doubts arise in the

mind.

 

 

 

 

[ NNB ]

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

wrote:

>

> Mr. B. C. Das asked why the mind cannot

> be turned inward in spite of repeated

> attempts.

>

> M: It is done by practice and

> dispassion and that succeeds ONLY

> GRADUALLY. The mind, having been so

> long a cow accustomed to graze

> stealthily on others' estates, is not

> easily confined to her stall.

>

> However much her keeper tempts her with

> luscious grass and fine fodder, she

> refuses the first time; then she takes

> a bit; but her innate tendency to stray

> away asserts itself; and she slips

> away; on being repeatedly tempted by

> the owner, she accustoms herself to the

> stall; finally even if let loose she

> would not stray away. Similarly with

> the mind. If once it finds its inner

> happiness it will not wander outward.

>

> ...

>

> Question. After leaving this Asramam,

> in October, I was aware of the Presence

> that prevails in Sri Bhagavan's

> Presence enfolding me for about ten

> days. All the time, while busy in my

> work, there was an under-current of

> that peace in unity; it was almost like

> the dual consciousness which one

> experiences while half-asleep in a dull

> lecture. Then, it faded out entirely;

> and the old stupidities came in

> instead. Work leaves no time for

> separate meditation. Is it enough

> constantly reminding oneself 'I AM',

> while at work?

>

>

>

> M. (After a short pause). If you

> STRENGTHEN THE MIND, that peace will

> continue for all time. Its duration is

> PROPORTIONAL to the strength of mind

> acquired by repeated practice. And such

> a mind is able to hold on to the

> current. In that case, engagement or no

> engagement in work, the current remains

> unaffected and uninterrupted. It is not

> the work that hinders but the idea that

> it is you who are doing it.

>

>

> Question. Is a set meditation

> necessary for strengthening the mind?

>

>

> M. Not, if you keep the idea always

> before you, that it is not your work.

> At first, effort is needed to remind

> yourself of it, but later on it becomes

> natural and continuous. The work will

> go on of its own accord, and your peace

> will remain undisturbed.

>

> Meditation is your true nature. You

> call it meditation now, because there

> are other thoughts distracting you.

> When these thoughts are dispelled, you

> remain alone-that is, in the state of meditation

> free from thoughts; and that is your

> real nature, which you are now trying

> to gain by keeping away other thoughts.

> Such keeping away of other thoughts is

> now called meditation. But when the

> practice becomes FIRM, the real nature

> shows itself as true meditation.

>

> Question. Other thoughts arise more

> forcibly when one attempts meditation!

>

> M. Yes, all kinds of thought arise

> in meditation. That is only right; for

> what lies hidden in you is brought out.

> Unless it rises up, how can it be

> destroyed ? Thoughts

> rise up spontaneously, as it were, but

> only to be extinguished in due course,

> thus strengthening the mind.

>

>

> Question. There are times when

> persons and things take a vague, almost

> a transparent form, as in a dream. One

> ceases to observe them as outside, but

> is passively conscious of their

> existence, while not actively conscious

> of any kind of selfhood. There is a

> deep quietness in the mind. Is it at

> such times that one is ready to dive

> into the Self? Or is this condition

> unhealthy, the result of self-

> hypnotism? Should it be encouraged as

> yielding temporary peace ?

>

>

> M. There is Consciousness Along With

> Quietness In The Mind; this is EXACTLY

> the state to be aimed at. The fact that

> the question has been framed on this

> point, without realizing that it is the

> Self, shows that the state is not

> steady but casual.

>