Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Dearest Pete and apparent 'others': I just shot my wad of shit for this glorious morning. Sorry, if my posts are in disproportional numbers to the rest of you Neos and Trads, with a few Bhaktas, and Karma Yogis thrown in for good measure. As I said to Pete, " just delete the shit, like I do MY spam. " Don't bother to write and remind me that I'm just a fucking asshole. (My wife has done that job for you many, many times.) And she's totally right!!!! I love reading your shit, irregardless of what you think of mine. Keep that non-dual bickering going, PLEASE, whatever you do! That is my only, and sincerely humble request. My wife likes television. I love the non-dual soap opera that appears throughout the day on my little laptop screen. I even bring it to work so that I can say I'm " multi-tasking " when somebody asks me who the fuck UG Krishnamurti is. All is well. As fuzzmeister maharaj and Cadillac Charlie have pointed out many times in recent days, All there is is Consciousness-Bliss. And they ain't just two dead Indians talkin' either. All love. All joy. I'm outta here! Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that's which is God's, and these,needless to say, are not two. Mr. mneumonicallyreactivewashingmachinE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 In a message dated 4/21/05 11:48:16 AM, misterenlightenment writes: > Dearest Pete and apparent 'others': > > I just shot my wad of shit for this glorious morning. > > Sorry, if my posts are in disproportional numbers to the rest of you > Neos and Trads, with a few Bhaktas, and Karma Yogis thrown in for > good measure. > > As I said to Pete, " just delete the shit, like I do MY spam. " > > P: I'm going on digest. The tip of my index finger is numb from deleting, not only your stuff, but the fuzz of fuzzy and the dander of Anders, and what not. Busy minds and busy hands ejaculating virtual sperm. Yuk! Don't look Devi! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > al. > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting dilettante. Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion day in and day out, I seldom read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/21/05 11:48:16 AM, misterenlightenment writes: > > > > Dearest Pete and apparent 'others': > > > > I just shot my wad of shit for this glorious morning. > > > > Sorry, if my posts are in disproportional numbers to the rest of you > > Neos and Trads, with a few Bhaktas, and Karma Yogis thrown in for > > good measure. > > > > As I said to Pete, " just delete the shit, like I do MY spam. " > > > > > > P: I'm going on digest. The tip of my index finger is numb from deleting, > not only your stuff, but the fuzz of fuzzy and the dander of Anders, and > what not. > Busy minds and busy hands ejaculating virtual sperm. Yuk! Don't look > Devi! ) > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > > > al. > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting dilettante. > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > day in and day out, I seldom read. > > You have such a preconceived idea about yourself. You are so sure you know what to do and how to do and what you will do. I am too, I must confess. The past sets the frame for our present. It would not be sane to not know what to do. But on the other hand new structures must also be allowed to form. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > > > al. > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting dilettante. > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > day in and day out, I seldom read. Dear Pedsie2: I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just having some fun with it. Somebody gave me an old computer and I hooked it up and then I found this forum and started talking to people on it. And, it's been fun. But, if it's bugging you and you are irritated by me, then, man, I'm gonna try to make a concerted effort and not post so much on here. I don't want to bother anybody or start any trouble. I've just been having some fun, man. I hope you understand. I don't know if you've read any of my posts, but, I am totally into what Nisargadatta was about. So, I'm not on here to just jerk somebody's chain or to be a troll or anything like that. I'm serious. Just wanted you to know that. Yours, fuzzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting dilettante. > > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I > > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > > day in and day out, I seldom read. > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > having some fun with it. Somebody gave me an old computer and I hooked > it up and then I found this forum and started talking to people on it. > And, it's been fun. But, if it's bugging you and you are irritated by > me, then, man, I'm gonna try to make a concerted effort and not post > so much on here. I don't want to bother anybody or start any trouble. > I've just been having some fun, man. I hope you understand. > > I don't know if you've read any of my posts, but, I am totally into > what Nisargadatta was about. So, I'm not on here to just jerk > somebody's chain or to be a troll or anything like that. I'm serious. > Just wanted you to know that. > > Yours, > > fuzzie Fuzzie, that was a much more moderate reply to Pete than I made. But to my defence I must stress that my reply was an attempt to use second-tier thinking and post ANGRY words as a reply. But of course one has to be polite too. What I understand about second-tier thinking is that one can then be extremely nasty and/or very nice, and everything in between, depending on the situation. Although I am not sure exactly when to be nasty and when to be nice. :-) My idea is that in first-tier thinking one can be angry without exactly knowing why, while in second-tier thinking one knows when to be rude. But I think I will also slow down a bit lest there will be too much spam-like posting from me. Or maybe I will *increase* my posting rate to see how people (and myself) react. :-] al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Friday, April 22, 2005 5:36 AM Re: Pound of Shit Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting dilettante. > > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I > > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > > day in and day out, I seldom read. > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > having some fun with it. Somebody gave me an old computer and I hooked > it up and then I found this forum and started talking to people on it. > And, it's been fun. But, if it's bugging you and you are irritated by > me, then, man, I'm gonna try to make a concerted effort and not post > so much on here. I don't want to bother anybody or start any trouble. > I've just been having some fun, man. I hope you understand. > > I don't know if you've read any of my posts, but, I am totally into > what Nisargadatta was about. So, I'm not on here to just jerk > somebody's chain or to be a troll or anything like that. I'm serious. > Just wanted you to know that. > > Yours, > > fuzzie Fuzzie, that was a much more moderate reply to Pete than I made. But to my defence I must stress that my reply was an attempt to use second-tier thinking and post ANGRY words as a reply. But of course one has to be polite too. What I understand about second-tier thinking is that one can then be extremely nasty and/or very nice, and everything in between, depending on the situation. Although I am not sure exactly when to be nasty and when to be nice. :-) My idea is that in first-tier thinking one can be angry without exactly knowing why, while in second-tier thinking one knows when to be rude. But I think I will also slow down a bit lest there will be too much spam-like posting from me. Or maybe I will *increase* my posting rate to see how people (and myself) react. :-] al. good morning (((((Al))))), If I might, I would say 2nd tier is all about balance and seeing where the 'other' as 'We' is stuck and not 'auto reply' nor retreating in any manner shape or form. After all, " you' and 'other' have equal importance. Love, loretta (formerly known as Anna) ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > Love, > loretta (formerly known as Anna) > Wearing her high-heeled shoes, and a low-necked sweatah Get back home, Loretta... ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 - carolina112900 Nisargadatta Friday, April 22, 2005 7:16 AM Re: Pound of Shit Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > Love, > loretta (formerly known as Anna) > Wearing her high-heeled shoes, and a low-necked sweatah Get back home, Loretta... ~freyja Hi Freyja, Sorry, if I have missed it along the way, do you have any artwork (besides yourself) that is available for me to see via......? anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Friday, April 22, 2005 5:36 AM > Re: Pound of Shit > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > > > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting > dilettante. > > > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > > > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > > > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I > > > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > > > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > > > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > > > day in and day out, I seldom read. > > > > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > > > I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > > having some fun with it. Somebody gave me an old computer and I hooked > > it up and then I found this forum and started talking to people on it. > > And, it's been fun. But, if it's bugging you and you are irritated by > > me, then, man, I'm gonna try to make a concerted effort and not post > > so much on here. I don't want to bother anybody or start any trouble. > > I've just been having some fun, man. I hope you understand. > > > > I don't know if you've read any of my posts, but, I am totally into > > what Nisargadatta was about. So, I'm not on here to just jerk > > somebody's chain or to be a troll or anything like that. I'm serious. > > Just wanted you to know that. > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > > Fuzzie, that was a much more moderate reply to Pete than I made. But > to my defence I must stress that my reply was an attempt to use > second-tier thinking and post ANGRY words as a reply. But of course > one has to be polite too. What I understand about second-tier thinking > is that one can then be extremely nasty and/or very nice, and > everything in between, depending on the situation. Although I am not > sure exactly when to be nasty and when to be nice. :-) My idea is that > in first-tier thinking one can be angry without exactly knowing why, > while in second-tier thinking one knows when to be rude. > > But I think I will also slow down a bit lest there will be too much > spam-like posting from me. Or maybe I will *increase* my posting rate > to see how people (and myself) react. :-] > > al. > > > > good morning (((((Al))))), > If I might, I would say 2nd tier is all about balance and seeing where the 'other' as 'We' is stuck and not 'auto reply' nor retreating in any manner shape or form. After all, " you' and 'other' have equal importance. > > Love, > loretta (formerly known as Anna) > Hi loretta, 2nd tier is really what Eckhart Tolle calls a new state of consciousness. In that state you *know* that you and the world are one, and not just having personal opinions or self-delusions about it. I suspect that Tolle is correct, but that he hasn't reached 2nd tier yet. Only the planet as a whole can reach 2nd tier. Everything else is an ego delusion. No one on earth has reached true 2nd tier yet. Ken Wilber talks about new holons emerging and embracing previous holons, such as cells embracing molecules embracing atoms... What is the next holon? Planetary consciousness - the whole planet becomes a new holon on an _entirely_ different level than what Ken Wilber can surmise from his _own_ theories! He hasn't grocked his own theory! What is the difference between a single cell and a human being? Quite a pretty big difference! What is the difference between one level of holon to the next level? The difference is clearly seen between a single cell and a human being. The next level is the difference between a human being and the whole planet as a single new holon. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Friday, April 22, 2005 7:31 AM Re: Pound of Shit Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Friday, April 22, 2005 5:36 AM > Re: Pound of Shit > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so sure what > > > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its title? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting > dilettante. > > > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > > > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > > > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is low, I > > > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > > > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > > > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > > > day in and day out, I seldom read. > > > > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > > > I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > > having some fun with it. Somebody gave me an old computer and I hooked > > it up and then I found this forum and started talking to people on it. > > And, it's been fun. But, if it's bugging you and you are irritated by > > me, then, man, I'm gonna try to make a concerted effort and not post > > so much on here. I don't want to bother anybody or start any trouble. > > I've just been having some fun, man. I hope you understand. > > > > I don't know if you've read any of my posts, but, I am totally into > > what Nisargadatta was about. So, I'm not on here to just jerk > > somebody's chain or to be a troll or anything like that. I'm serious. > > Just wanted you to know that. > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > > Fuzzie, that was a much more moderate reply to Pete than I made. But > to my defence I must stress that my reply was an attempt to use > second-tier thinking and post ANGRY words as a reply. But of course > one has to be polite too. What I understand about second-tier thinking > is that one can then be extremely nasty and/or very nice, and > everything in between, depending on the situation. Although I am not > sure exactly when to be nasty and when to be nice. :-) My idea is that > in first-tier thinking one can be angry without exactly knowing why, > while in second-tier thinking one knows when to be rude. > > But I think I will also slow down a bit lest there will be too much > spam-like posting from me. Or maybe I will *increase* my posting rate > to see how people (and myself) react. :-] > > al. > > > > good morning (((((Al))))), > If I might, I would say 2nd tier is all about balance and seeing where the 'other' as 'We' is stuck and not 'auto reply' nor retreating in any manner shape or form. After all, " you' and 'other' have equal importance. > > Love, > loretta (formerly known as Anna) > Hi loretta, 2nd tier is really what Eckhart Tolle calls a new state of consciousness. In that state you *know* that you and the world are one, and not just having personal opinions or self-delusions about it. I suspect that Tolle is correct, but that he hasn't reached 2nd tier yet. Only the planet as a whole can reach 2nd tier. Everything else is an ego delusion. No one on earth has reached true 2nd tier yet. Ken Wilber talks about new holons emerging and embracing previous holons, such as cells embracing molecules embracing atoms... What is the next holon? Planetary consciousness - the whole planet becomes a new holon on an _entirely_ different level than what Ken Wilber can surmise from his _own_ theories! He hasn't grocked his own theory! What is the difference between a single cell and a human being? Quite a pretty big difference! What is the difference between one level of holon to the next level? The difference is clearly seen between a single cell and a human being. The next level is the difference between a human being and the whole planet as a single new holon. al. Hey Al, YEAH, so? If one has not experienced what one is writing about (once having been a distinct possible possibility), what can one REALLY say about <it>? Next level is really quite simple, again there never was a difference, only the separated, differentiated " I " , 'thought' difference via unidentification with Consciousness as Being. loretta. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > carolina112900 > Nisargadatta > Friday, April 22, 2005 7:16 AM > Re: Pound of Shit > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > Love, > > loretta (formerly known as Anna) > > > > > Wearing her high-heeled shoes, > and a low-necked sweatah > > Get back home, Loretta... > > > > > ~freyja > > > Hi Freyja, > > Sorry, if I have missed it along the way, do you have any artwork (besides yourself) that is available for me to see via......? > > > > anna > hey anna, no, am pc challenged, am waiting for a Mac to appear artwork besides myself? that is funny yes, have been told i am a 'piece of work' thanks for asking, good morning have fun, ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > anders_lindman > Nisargadatta > Friday, April 22, 2005 7:31 AM > Re: Pound of Shit > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > > > - > > anders_lindman > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, April 22, 2005 5:36 AM > > Re: Pound of Shit > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:25:02 PM, anders_lindman writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say, if you are so busy deleting posts, how can you be so > sure what > > > > > they are about? Did you delete this post b t w? Do you use your > > > > > preconceived ideas as a criteria for deleting posts, or is your > > > > > intuition keen enough to sense the content of a post by its > title? > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Since you asked, below are the confessions of a deleting > > dilettante. > > > > Obviously, I didn't delete this one. Why? because I knew you > > > > were answering my post. I know your posts are about angst and > > > > speculation. If I'm in the mood for that, and the traffic is > low, I > > > > will read one or two. I read all posts by Dan, Werner, Lewis, > > > > Muralis, Kip, and most of the other non-habitual posters. People > > > > who post to chit-chat, and to relieve boredom, or out of confusion > > > > day in and day out, I seldom read. > > > > > > > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > > > > > I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was > just > > > having some fun with it. Somebody gave me an old computer and I > hooked > > > it up and then I found this forum and started talking to people > on it. > > > And, it's been fun. But, if it's bugging you and you are > irritated by > > > me, then, man, I'm gonna try to make a concerted effort and not post > > > so much on here. I don't want to bother anybody or start any > trouble. > > > I've just been having some fun, man. I hope you understand. > > > > > > I don't know if you've read any of my posts, but, I am totally into > > > what Nisargadatta was about. So, I'm not on here to just jerk > > > somebody's chain or to be a troll or anything like that. I'm > serious. > > > Just wanted you to know that. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > Fuzzie, that was a much more moderate reply to Pete than I made. But > > to my defence I must stress that my reply was an attempt to use > > second-tier thinking and post ANGRY words as a reply. But of course > > one has to be polite too. What I understand about second-tier thinking > > is that one can then be extremely nasty and/or very nice, and > > everything in between, depending on the situation. Although I am not > > sure exactly when to be nasty and when to be nice. :-) My idea is that > > in first-tier thinking one can be angry without exactly knowing why, > > while in second-tier thinking one knows when to be rude. > > > > But I think I will also slow down a bit lest there will be too much > > spam-like posting from me. Or maybe I will *increase* my posting rate > > to see how people (and myself) react. :-] > > > > al. > > > > > > > > good morning (((((Al))))), > > If I might, I would say 2nd tier is all about balance and seeing > where the 'other' as 'We' is stuck and not 'auto reply' nor > retreating in any manner shape or form. After all, " you' and 'other' > have equal importance. > > > > Love, > > loretta (formerly known as Anna) > > > > > Hi loretta, > > 2nd tier is really what Eckhart Tolle calls a new state of > consciousness. In that state you *know* that you and the world are > one, and not just having personal opinions or self-delusions about it. > I suspect that Tolle is correct, but that he hasn't reached 2nd tier > yet. Only the planet as a whole can reach 2nd tier. Everything else is > an ego delusion. No one on earth has reached true 2nd tier yet. > > Ken Wilber talks about new holons emerging and embracing previous > holons, such as cells embracing molecules embracing atoms... What is > the next holon? Planetary consciousness - the whole planet becomes a > new holon on an _entirely_ different level than what Ken Wilber can > surmise from his _own_ theories! He hasn't grocked his own theory! > What is the difference between a single cell and a human being? Quite > a pretty big difference! What is the difference between one level of > holon to the next level? The difference is clearly seen between a > single cell and a human being. The next level is the difference > between a human being and the whole planet as a single new holon. > > al. > > > > Hey Al, > YEAH, so? If one has not experienced what one is writing about (once having been a distinct possible possibility), what can one REALLY say about <it>? > > Next level is really quite simple, again there never was a difference, only the separated, differentiated " I " , 'thought' > difference via unidentification with Consciousness as Being. > > loretta. > I came up with this idea just by extrapolating Ken Wilber's theories. And Wilber is the smartest person on this planet. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 In a message dated 4/21/05 7:54:00 PM, fuzzie_wuz writes: > Dear Pedsie2: > > F: I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > having some fun with it. > P: LoL.. So I can walk to a strange woman and start fondling her breast, and when she slaps me, say, " What's the fuzz, I was just having fun with it. " Just joking, I do understand the 'ardor.' And I have read some of your posts. You have said you are, a hick from Ohio, poor, fat, bald, and who saw the light by reading Bobby Meissner. So which one of Bobby's messages gave you your insight? Do you know that, at GR, Bobby used to pretend to be a poster named Donald who, of course, agreed with much of what Bobby was posting? Could you also be Bobby in drags? Now, about overposting in this lists, I am not so much annoyed, as trying to keep these lists, I love, helpful to people. Here your word is all you have to help. To be effective your word must issue from silence and must be framed in emptiness. Is that just another nice sounding phrase? No! Imagine a room full of masterpieces one next to each other, tossed in no particular order. Displayed like that, the only thing that would stand out is the clutter of the room. A heap of masterpieces is just another heap. If what Bobby says helps some people, that could be in no small measure, because Bobby doesn't post much. So his posts stand out, and people pay attention. Everyone has to decide who are they posting for. If you post for others, then post in moderation. f you post for yourself, then post as much as you need. But then, know, you are cluttering the room for others. Intelligence is to be, as aware as possible, of the consequences of your acts and words. Again, I am not saying that what excessive posters post has no value, what I say is, quantity in excess, always devaluate the merchandize. You decide, Pete Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/21/05 7:54:00 PM, fuzzie_wuz writes: > > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > > > F: I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > > having some fun with it. > > > P: LoL.. So I can walk to a strange woman and start fondling her breast, > and when she slaps me, say, " What's the fuzz, I was just having fun with it. " > Just joking, I do understand the 'ardor.' And I have read some of your > posts. You have said you are, a hick from Ohio, poor, fat, bald, and who > saw the light by reading Bobby Meissner. So which one of Bobby's messages > gave you your insight? > > Do you know that, at GR, Bobby used to pretend to be a poster named Donald > who, of course, agreed with much of what Bobby was posting? Could you > also be Bobby in drags? > > Now, about overposting in this lists, I am not so much annoyed, as trying > to keep these lists, I love, helpful to people. Here your word > is all you have to help. To be effective your word must issue from silence > and must be framed in emptiness. Is that just another nice sounding phrase? > > No! Imagine a room full of masterpieces one next to each other, tossed in no > particular order. Displayed like that, the only thing that would stand out is > the clutter of the room. A heap of masterpieces is just another heap. > > If what Bobby says helps some people, that could be in no small measure, > because Bobby doesn't post much. So his posts stand out, and people pay > attention. Everyone has to decide who are they posting for. If you post > for others, then post in moderation. f you post for yourself, then post as > much as you need. But then, know, you are cluttering the room for others. > Intelligence is to be, as aware as possible, of the consequences of your > acts and words. > Again, I am not saying that what excessive posters post has no value, > what I say is, quantity in excess, always devaluate the merchandize. > You decide, > > Pete > > Pete > Pete, Go sit down. They may not be aware of it........but....... every " one " posts for themselves. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 7:54:00 PM, fuzzie_wuz writes: > > > > > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > > > > > F: I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > > > having some fun with it. > > > > > P: LoL.. So I can walk to a strange woman and start fondling her breast, > > and when she slaps me, say, " What's the fuzz, I was just having fun with it. " > > Just joking, I do understand the 'ardor.' And I have read some of your > > posts. You have said you are, a hick from Ohio, poor, fat, bald, and who > > saw the light by reading Bobby Meissner. So which one of Bobby's messages > > gave you your insight? > > > > Do you know that, at GR, Bobby used to pretend to be a poster named Donald > > who, of course, agreed with much of what Bobby was posting? Could you > > also be Bobby in drags? > > > > Now, about overposting in this lists, I am not so much annoyed, as trying > > to keep these lists, I love, helpful to people. Here your word > > is all you have to help. To be effective your word must issue from silence > > and must be framed in emptiness. Is that just another nice sounding phrase? > > > > No! Imagine a room full of masterpieces one next to each other, tossed in no > > particular order. Displayed like that, the only thing that would stand out is > > the clutter of the room. A heap of masterpieces is just another heap. > > > > If what Bobby says helps some people, that could be in no small measure, > > because Bobby doesn't post much. So his posts stand out, and people pay > > attention. Everyone has to decide who are they posting for. If you post > > for others, then post in moderation. f you post for yourself, then post as > > much as you need. But then, know, you are cluttering the room for others. > > Intelligence is to be, as aware as possible, of the consequences of your > > acts and words. > > Again, I am not saying that what excessive posters post has no value, > > what I say is, quantity in excess, always devaluate the merchandize. > > You decide, > > > > Pete > > > > Pete > > Pete, > > Go sit down. > > They may not be aware of it........but....... > every " one " posts for themselves. > > > > toombaru As long as we are trapped in " me " -consciousness that may be true, but not entirely true, because there is an intersubjective state even at our present level of consciousness. I am very curious about if there is a " we " -consciousness possible. The telepathic ability in humans today are virtually zero. And I think that is a deliberate trick played by evolution. We have not evolved enough yet so we can handle telepathy. Heck, we can hardly handle our own chaotic minds! My idea is that the next step in evolution is the integration of human beings into a planetary global mind. The telepathic ability will be switched on in a huge number of people (possibly every human being on earth) creating an explosion of new connections that will awaken planetary consciousness. " Buckle your seat belt Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye-bye! " Bye-bye homo sapiens sapiens and say hello to Homo Harmonica. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 - anders_lindman Nisargadatta Friday, April 22, 2005 1:25 PM Re: Pound of Shit Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/21/05 7:54:00 PM, fuzzie_wuz writes: > > > > > > > Dear Pedsie2: > > > > > > F: I apologize. I have been on this forum about 2 weeks, now. I was just > > > having some fun with it. > > > > > P: LoL.. So I can walk to a strange woman and start fondling her breast, > > and when she slaps me, say, " What's the fuzz, I was just having fun with it. " > > Just joking, I do understand the 'ardor.' And I have read some of your > > posts. You have said you are, a hick from Ohio, poor, fat, bald, and who > > saw the light by reading Bobby Meissner. So which one of Bobby's messages > > gave you your insight? > > > > Do you know that, at GR, Bobby used to pretend to be a poster named Donald > > who, of course, agreed with much of what Bobby was posting? Could you > > also be Bobby in drags? > > > > Now, about overposting in this lists, I am not so much annoyed, as trying > > to keep these lists, I love, helpful to people. Here your word > > is all you have to help. To be effective your word must issue from silence > > and must be framed in emptiness. Is that just another nice sounding phrase? > > > > No! Imagine a room full of masterpieces one next to each other, tossed in no > > particular order. Displayed like that, the only thing that would stand out is > > the clutter of the room. A heap of masterpieces is just another heap. > > > > If what Bobby says helps some people, that could be in no small measure, > > because Bobby doesn't post much. So his posts stand out, and people pay > > attention. Everyone has to decide who are they posting for. If you post > > for others, then post in moderation. f you post for yourself, then post as > > much as you need. But then, know, you are cluttering the room for others. > > Intelligence is to be, as aware as possible, of the consequences of your > > acts and words. > > Again, I am not saying that what excessive posters post has no value, > > what I say is, quantity in excess, always devaluate the merchandize. > > You decide, > > > > Pete > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > Pete, > > Go sit down. > > They may not be aware of it........but....... > every " one " posts for themselves. > > > > toombaru As long as we are trapped in " me " -consciousness that may be true, but not entirely true, because there is an intersubjective state even at our present level of consciousness. I am very curious about if there is a " we " -consciousness possible. The telepathic ability in humans today are virtually zero. And I think that is a deliberate trick played by evolution. We have not evolved enough yet so we can handle telepathy. Heck, we can hardly handle our own chaotic minds! My idea is that the next step in evolution is the integration of human beings into a planetary global mind. The telepathic ability will be switched on in a huge number of people (possibly every human being on earth) creating an explosion of new connections that will awaken planetary consciousness. " Buckle your seat belt Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye-bye! " Bye-bye homo sapiens sapiens and say hello to Homo Harmonica. al. Hey ((((((((((((Al))))))))))) what was going down around 11:30 our time (EST), in your neck of the woods yesterday, in your-our time? hmmmm it's that One cell-igniting all the other cells...)) Loretta from: les Miserables VALJEAN, FANTINE, EPONINE Take my hand And lead me to salvation Take my love For love is everlasting And remember The truth that once was spoken To love another person Is to see the face of God. CHORUS Do you hear the people sing Lost in the valley of the night? It is the music of a people Who are climbing to the light. For the wretched of the earth There is a flame that never dies. Even the darkest night will end And the sun will rise. They will live again in freedom In the garden of the Lord. They will walk behind the plough-share, They will put away the sword. The chain will be broken And all men will have their reward. Will you join in our crusade? Who will be strong and stand with me? Somewhere beyond the barricade Is there a world you long to see? Do you hear the people sing? Say, do you hear the distant drums? It is the future that they bring When tomorrow comes! Will you join in our crusade? Who will be strong and stand with me? Somewhere beyond the barricade Is there a world you long to see? Do you hear the people sing? Say, do you hear the distant drums? It is the future that they bring When tomorrow comes... Tomorrow comes! ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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