I was lost, but now I'm found, It's just.........AMAZING!!!!

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Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes

<chreiki3>

> > wrote:

> > > The person merges into the witness, the witness into awareness,

> > awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only its

> > limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the real

Self,

> > the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide.

> > >

> > > ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> >

> > Then the real self dissolves into the unspeakable,

> > and identity has no meaning, either as something

> > to be had or to be lost.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

>

> Dear Dan:

>

> If what you say is the case, then, what are you talking about?

>

> Respectfully yours,

>

> fuzzie>>

 

 

OUCH!!!! (that had to hurt!)

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Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

<misterenlightenment> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes

> <chreiki3>

> > > wrote:

> > > > The person merges into the witness, the witness into awareness,

> > > awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only its

> > > limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the real

> Self,

> > > the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide.

> > > >

> > > > ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > Then the real self dissolves into the unspeakable,

> > > and identity has no meaning, either as something

> > > to be had or to be lost.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> >

> > Dear Dan:

> >

> > If what you say is the case, then, what are you talking about?

> >

> > Respectfully yours,

> >

> > fuzzie>>

>

>

> OUCH!!!! (that had to hurt!)

 

 

 

Why did Ramana speak?

 

 

toombaru

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toombaru2004 <cptc wrote:

 

" Why did Ramana speak? " toombaru

 

 

Why do birds fly? Why is water wet?

 

 

 

 

 

Charlie Hayes

www.AwakeningToTheEternal.org

 

 

Telephone 1-714-708-2311

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

<misterenlightenment> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz "

<fuzzie_wuz>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes

> > <chreiki3>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > The person merges into the witness, the witness into

awareness,

> > > > awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only

its

> > > > limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the

real

> > Self,

> > > > the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide.

> > > > >

> > > > > ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > >

> > > > Then the real self dissolves into the unspeakable,

> > > > and identity has no meaning, either as something

> > > > to be had or to be lost.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dan:

> > >

> > > If what you say is the case, then, what are you talking about?

> > >

> > > Respectfully yours,

> > >

> > > fuzzie>>

> >

> >

> > OUCH!!!! (that had to hurt!)

>

>

>

> Why did Ramana speak?

>

>

> toombaru

 

Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

 

A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

 

As for what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about

anything.

 

You either know this directly, in which case

you know exactly, precisely, that not a thing or

quality is involved, and you know without involving a knower or

known.

 

If you know without anything known, it's like taking off

a heavy overcoat.

 

If not, you have the feeling the overcoat is you,

it's the reality you take for how things are.

 

Maybe you call your overcoat " awareness " or maybe

you call it " my life. "

 

It doesn't matter.

 

If it falls off (it never got started, never

happened in the first place),

then, and only then (now), you know what

never began and has never been spoken of.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta

Friday, April 22, 2005 10:53 AM

Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

<misterenlightenment> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz "

<fuzzie_wuz>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes

> > <chreiki3>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > The person merges into the witness, the witness into

awareness,

> > > > awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only

its

> > > > limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the

real

> > Self,

> > > > the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide.

> > > > >

> > > > > ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > >

> > > > Then the real self dissolves into the unspeakable,

> > > > and identity has no meaning, either as something

> > > > to be had or to be lost.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dan:

> > >

> > > If what you say is the case, then, what are you talking about?

> > >

> > > Respectfully yours,

> > >

> > > fuzzie>>

> >

> >

> > OUCH!!!! (that had to hurt!)

>

>

>

> Why did Ramana speak?

>

>

> toombaru

 

Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

 

A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

 

As for what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about

anything.

 

You either know this directly, in which case

you know exactly, precisely, that not a thing or

quality is involved, and you know without involving a knower or

known.

 

If you know without anything known, it's like taking off

a heavy overcoat.

 

If not, you have the feeling the overcoat is you,

it's the reality you take for how things are.

 

Maybe you call your overcoat " awareness " or maybe

you call it " my life. "

 

It doesn't matter.

 

If it falls off (it never got started, never

happened in the first place),

then, and only then (now), you know what

never began and has never been spoken of.

 

-- Dan

 

 

Why would 'Dan' say " Nisargadatta is turning over in his grave " ?

 

What Nisargadatta is and spoke of can not be found in any grave, so to

speak....

 

loretta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

>

> Why would 'Dan' say " Nisargadatta is turning over in his grave " ?

>

> What Nisargadatta is and spoke of can not be found in any grave,

so to speak....

>

> loretta

 

Why put quotes around " Dan " and not " Nisargadatta " ?

 

" Nisaragatta " was no more this unspeakable truth than " Dan. "

 

What he spoke were words, and those words don't give what isn't

contained by words -- and never will.

 

What Nisaragadatta was is dead, buried, and decomposed,

although I do hear him groaning every time his teaching is

taken at its most superficial aspect.

 

:-)

 

And indeed, truth isn't found in a grave.

 

And any word misunderstood as a means to represent the unspeakable

nature you are -- becomes a grave.

 

Treat words as vanishing phantoms in the mist, or as ripples

in running water that are gone as spoken. Treat your

self and Self as ripples in running water, and treat

being and iam the same way.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta

Friday, April 22, 2005 11:47 AM

Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

>

> Why would 'Dan' say " Nisargadatta is turning over in his grave " ?

>

> What Nisargadatta is and spoke of can not be found in any grave,

so to speak....

>

> loretta

 

Why put quotes around " Dan " and not " Nisargadatta " ?

 

" Nisaragatta " was no more this unspeakable truth than " Dan. "

 

What he spoke were words, and those words don't give what isn't

contained by words -- and never will.

 

What Nisaragadatta was is dead, buried, and decomposed,

although I do hear him groaning every time his teaching is

taken at its most superficial aspect.

 

:-)

 

And indeed, truth isn't found in a grave.

 

And any word misunderstood as a means to represent the unspeakable

nature you are -- becomes a grave.

 

Treat words as vanishing phantoms in the mist, or as ripples

in running water that are gone as spoken. Treat your

self and Self as ripples in running water, and treat

being and iam the same way.

 

-- Dan

 

Only when a taste of cigarettes is

tasted,

will the self know *Itself*.

 

loretta

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

> Only when a taste of cigarettes is

> tasted,

> will the self know *Itself*.

>

> loretta

 

I'm glad you said cigarettes, that sounds a whole

lot healthier than holy nectar. :-)

 

The itself being known, and the self knowing,

have no distance apart. So, any taste dissolves,

and there is nothing to be known, nor separable

knower.

 

-- Dan

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Friday, April 22, 2005 12:15 PM

Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

 

> Only when a taste of cigarettes is

> tasted,

> will the self know *Itself*.

>

> loretta

 

I'm glad you said cigarettes, that sounds a whole

lot healthier than holy nectar. :-)

 

The itself being known, and the self knowing,

have no distance apart. So, any taste dissolves,

and there is nothing to be known, nor separable

knower.

 

-- Dan

 

 

 

In truth there is no-thing else. Let's call it: I Am This, or simply This.

 

)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, April 22, 2005 12:15 PM

> Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> > Only when a taste of cigarettes is

> > tasted,

> > will the self know *Itself*.

> >

> > loretta

>

> I'm glad you said cigarettes, that sounds a whole

> lot healthier than holy nectar. :-)

>

> The itself being known, and the self knowing,

> have no distance apart. So, any taste dissolves,

> and there is nothing to be known, nor separable

> knower.

>

> -- Dan

>

>

>

> In truth there is no-thing else. Let's call it: I Am This, or simply This.

>

> )

 

 

 

 

..........but.......but.......why do you have to call it anything?

 

 

 

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Friday, April 22, 2005 12:29 PM

Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, April 22, 2005 12:15 PM

> Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> > Only when a taste of cigarettes is

> > tasted,

> > will the self know *Itself*.

> >

> > loretta

>

> I'm glad you said cigarettes, that sounds a whole

> lot healthier than holy nectar. :-)

>

> The itself being known, and the self knowing,

> have no distance apart. So, any taste dissolves,

> and there is nothing to be known, nor separable

> knower.

>

> -- Dan

>

>

>

> In truth there is no-thing else. Let's call it: I Am This, or simply

This.

>

> )

 

 

 

 

.........but.......but.......why do you have to call it anything?

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

when i'm calling you

oo-oo-oo-oo,oo-oo-oo-oo-oo

 

will you answer too

oo-oo-oo-oo,oo-oo-oo-oo

 

 

hehehe, get yourself out of that one!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, April 22, 2005 12:15 PM

> Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

>

> > Only when a taste of cigarettes is

> > tasted,

> > will the self know *Itself*.

> >

> > loretta

>

> I'm glad you said cigarettes, that sounds a whole

> lot healthier than holy nectar. :-)

>

> The itself being known, and the self knowing,

> have no distance apart. So, any taste dissolves,

> and there is nothing to be known, nor separable

> knower.

>

> -- Dan

>

>

>

> In truth there is no-thing else. Let's call it: I Am This, or

simply This.

>

> )

 

I like *this* better that i am this, because it doesn't add in an I

that is being this.

 

And the only reason to use a word like *this* is because human

beings communicate using words. Other than that, it has

no purpose, says nothing, adds nothing.

 

When we use words, we assume someone to read and associate

a meaning with the symbol.

 

So, by providing words, delusions can be reinforced.

 

However, if we stay silent, the silence is discounted,

and delusions persist.

 

Sometimes, the excuse is made that a thorn is being provided

to remove a thorn. Yet, truth has nothing outside, from

whence a thorn could be lodged, and no one residing inside,

who could be damaged by a thorn.

 

So, that excuse for using words and concepts is useless. :-)

 

I guess one can say that human beings communicate with words

due to the design of the human being - like birds sing and

frogs croak.

 

Well, in the end, we all croak.

 

:-)

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta

Friday, April 22, 2005 1:10 PM

Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, April 22, 2005 12:15 PM

> Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...>

wrote:

>

> > Only when a taste of cigarettes is

> > tasted,

> > will the self know *Itself*.

> >

> > loretta

>

> I'm glad you said cigarettes, that sounds a whole

> lot healthier than holy nectar. :-)

>

> The itself being known, and the self knowing,

> have no distance apart. So, any taste dissolves,

> and there is nothing to be known, nor separable

> knower.

>

> -- Dan

>

>

>

> In truth there is no-thing else. Let's call it: I Am This, or

simply This.

>

> )

 

I like *this* better that i am this, because it doesn't add in an I

that is being this.

 

And the only reason to use a word like *this* is because human

beings communicate using words. Other than that, it has

no purpose, says nothing, adds nothing.

 

When we use words, we assume someone to read and associate

a meaning with the symbol.

 

So, by providing words, delusions can be reinforced.

 

However, if we stay silent, the silence is discounted,

and delusions persist.

 

Sometimes, the excuse is made that a thorn is being provided

to remove a thorn. Yet, truth has nothing outside, from

whence a thorn could be lodged, and no one residing inside,

who could be damaged by a thorn.

 

So, that excuse for using words and concepts is useless. :-)

 

I guess one can say that human beings communicate with words

due to the design of the human being - like birds sing and

frogs croak.

 

Well, in the end, we all croak.

 

:-)

 

-- Dan

 

 

 

Damn, Damn and Double Damn,

but maybe if a fairy prince/princess would kiss us....

 

 

or

 

 

enjoy This, cause This is All There Is.

 

)))

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment "

> <misterenlightenment> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz "

> <fuzzie_wuz>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes

> > > <chreiki3>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > The person merges into the witness, the witness into

> awareness,

> > > > > awareness into pure being, yet identity is not lost, only

> its

> > > > > limitations are lost. It is transfigured and becomes the

> real

> > > Self,

> > > > > the sadguru, the eternal friend and guide.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the real self dissolves into the unspeakable,

> > > > > and identity has no meaning, either as something

> > > > > to be had or to be lost.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dan:

> > > >

> > > > If what you say is the case, then, what are you talking about?

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully yours,

> > > >

> > > > fuzzie>>

> > >

> > >

> > > OUCH!!!! (that had to hurt!)

> >

> >

> >

> > Why did Ramana speak?

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

>

> A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

>

> As for what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about

> anything.

>

> You either know this directly, in which case

> you know exactly, precisely, that not a thing or

> quality is involved, and you know without involving a knower or

> known.

>

> If you know without anything known, it's like taking off

> a heavy overcoat.

>

> If not, you have the feeling the overcoat is you,

> it's the reality you take for how things are.

>

> Maybe you call your overcoat " awareness " or maybe

> you call it " my life. "

>

> It doesn't matter.

>

> If it falls off (it never got started, never

> happened in the first place),

> then, and only then (now), you know what

> never began and has never been spoken of.

>

> -- Dan

 

 

Hi, Dan:

 

So, you don't exist and you're not talking about anything. Is that

what you're talking about? Is that what you mean to say?

 

 

Yours,

 

Fuzzy

 

P.S. I hope Pedsie's not getting mad, again. He doesn't like it when

too many non-existent people get on here and talk about nothing.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

>

>Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

>

>A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

 

 

 

sam: Your perception is that Nis is unhappily turning over in his

grave as he reads these posts? Nope, sorry to disappoint you Dan.

This is your own constructed idea based on your own views of right and

wrong.

I was dancing with him just last week and he wasn't upset with it at

all. Quite to the contrary he sees it as a modern computerized way of

understanding. He was always quite into the idea of understanding and

still is.

 

sam -- for and on behalf of the I that is Nis >:^)

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Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> >

> >Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

> >

> >A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

>

>

>

> sam: Your perception is that Nis is unhappily turning over in his

> grave as he reads these posts? Nope, sorry to disappoint you Dan.

> This is your own constructed idea based on your own views of right

and

> wrong.

> I was dancing with him just last week and he wasn't upset with

it at

> all. Quite to the contrary he sees it as a modern computerized

way of

> understanding. He was always quite into the idea of understanding

and

> still is.

>

> sam -- for and on behalf of the I that is Nis >:^)

 

I said I heard him groan, not that he was unhappy or upset.

 

He's not.

 

Niz wasn't into ideas.

 

And now that the Niz body is decomposed, he's

even less into ideas.

 

But have fun with your dancing. Far be it from me

to interfere.

 

;-)

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " sam_t_7 " <sam_t_7> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> >

> >Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

> >

> >A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

 

 

Niz was burnt to Ashes ...

 

....and, then, ashes thrown into the river ...

 

the river went to the ocean ...

 

 

No Niz in graves !

 

No Niz turning 'in graves'.

 

 

Niz is dispersed.

 

 

If *** your *** or *** my *** head SPINS,

then, ...that is Curable.

 

Don't read,

.....Easy! Isn't it !

 

 

If you want to just read, *** yourself ***,

go and create your *** own *** list.

It is Free !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

>

> sam: Your perception is that Nis is unhappily turning over in his

> grave as he reads these posts? Nope, sorry to disappoint you Dan.

> This is your own constructed idea based on your own views of right

and

> wrong.

> I was dancing with him just last week and he wasn't upset with it

at

> all. Quite to the contrary he sees it as a modern computerized way

of

> understanding. He was always quite into the idea of understanding

and

> still is.

>

> sam -- for and on behalf of the I that is Nis >:^)

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

 

>

> Niz was burnt to Ashes ...

>

> ...and, then, ashes thrown into the river ...

>

> the river went to the ocean ...

>

>

> No Niz in graves !

>

> No Niz turning 'in graves'.

>

>

> Niz is dispersed.

 

Good point.

 

It's all dispersed before it began.

 

The ocean evaporates.

 

-- Dan

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sam_t_7

Nisargadatta

Friday, April 22, 2005 5:08 PM

Re: I was lost, but now I'm found, It's

just.........AMAZING!!!!

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

>

>Q: Why is Niz turning over in his grave?

>

>A: He read the posts on a list dedicated to his teaching.

 

 

 

sam: Your perception is that Nis is unhappily turning over in his

grave as he reads these posts? Nope, sorry to disappoint you Dan.

This is your own constructed idea based on your own views of right and

wrong.

I was dancing with him just last week and he wasn't upset with it at

all. Quite to the contrary he sees it as a modern computerized way of

understanding. He was always quite into the idea of understanding and

still is.

 

sam -- for and on behalf of the I that is Nis >:^)

 

 

 

You go girl!!!!! rocking with you rocking with Nis )

 

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