Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > And the many. When humanity turns into Homo Harmonica the global > consciousness will give us the ability to shape-shift our bodies > into anything we want. One day you want to be a man, the next a > woman, or a bird, or... The Many. MegaTon of Shit, AL. Don't go takin' that the wrong way though. Your paragraph above, and the obvious zeal with which you expressed it - first to yourself, then to your fingers - is a classic example of jerking off in public, pardon my direct-pointing. These kinds of mental ejaculations - paragraph after paragraph of personal opinions, across days and days of daydreaming outloud - while being *somewhat* pleasant, in sensation, are more damaging to the organism, than the replenishing, of energy, presumed by thereby. I.e., you lose MORE than you gain, and you justify bigtime, so that next time it's easier, and easier, and easier, thereby dying, in thirds before your time. Of course, you'll never be able to SEE THAT, because the only one that can SEE THAT is the one who can, the rest can only read the words, and ejaculate some opinion all over it (to it - your ordinary brain operations - naked women are naked and stimulating first, beauty has little to do with it). Pardon my further direct pointing. But, not to fret; AL is not the only one here on this list and other similarly-setup lists subject to the same automatic mental masturbation (opinionation ad nauseum) stemming from ignorance (mental horniness), and self-pleasuring (beating off mentally) - 95% of the posters here are doing that in their own heads 95% of each and every day, and it comes through their fingertips, and out their mouths as... well, I probably shouldn't paint >>that<< picture for you, you can do that on your time. Ok, you twisted my arm: a megaton of sex energy diverted through the neural pathways, for the primary purpose of self-pleasuring - cream-colored corniness ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > And the many. When humanity turns into Homo Harmonica the global > > consciousness will give us the ability to shape-shift our bodies > > into anything we want. One day you want to be a man, the next a > > woman, or a bird, or... The Many. > > MegaTon of Shit, AL. > Don't go takin' that the wrong way though. > > Your paragraph above, and the obvious zeal with which you expressed > it - first to yourself, then to your fingers - is a classic example > of jerking off in public, pardon my direct-pointing. > > These kinds of mental ejaculations - paragraph after paragraph of > personal opinions, across days and days of daydreaming outloud - > while being *somewhat* pleasant, in sensation, are more damaging to > the organism, than the replenishing, of energy, presumed by thereby. > I.e., you lose MORE than you gain, and you justify bigtime, so that > next time it's easier, and easier, and easier, thereby dying, in > thirds before your time. > > Of course, you'll never be able to SEE THAT, because the only one > that can SEE THAT is the one who can, the rest can only read the > words, and ejaculate some opinion all over it (to it - your ordinary > brain operations - naked women are naked and stimulating first, > beauty has little to do with it). Pardon my further direct pointing. > > But, not to fret; AL is not the only one here on this list and other > similarly-setup lists subject to the same automatic mental > masturbation (opinionation ad nauseum) stemming from ignorance > (mental horniness), and self-pleasuring (beating off mentally) - 95% > of the posters here are doing that in their own heads 95% of each and > every day, and it comes through their fingertips, and out their > mouths as... well, I probably shouldn't paint >>that<< picture for > you, you can do that on your time. > > Ok, you twisted my arm: a megaton of sex energy diverted through the > neural pathways, for the primary purpose of self-pleasuring - > cream-colored corniness ad nauseum. I see that you are seeking purpose. Purpose of posts e t c. You are trying to balance what is considered good/healthy thinking from unhealthy/meaningless thinking. To unravel this we must first define what we mean by purpose. This is difficult. We can write hundreds of doctoral papers on what purpose is, what we actually mean by the word purpose, and we still would have no full understanding of the word. However, the purpose of all life is complexity unfolding. Here we have another huge challenge: how to define complexity? Ken Wilber's illustration of holons emerging at higher and higher levels is I think a good description of how complexity unfolds. For me, a true holon is a fully coherent and integrated entity. A nation, or an organisation for example are not true holons. An atom is a true holon, and so is a molecule, a cell and a human being. Our planet is not a true holon yet, but is about to become one through the process of metamorphosis. Consciousness unfolds as: subatomic particles, atoms, molecules, cells, multi-celled organisms (e.g. human beings), planetary organisms (e.g. Gaia), ... Today our planet is only a tendency for planetary consciousness, an embryo for a new level of holon. Some 15 billion years ago, consciousness had only reached the level of atoms (holon level 2?); 3 billion years ago, consciousness had reached the level of single-celled organisms (holon level 4); 150 thousand years ago, consciousness had reached the highest level of multi-celled organisms (holon level 5); somewhere in the future, consciousness will here on earth reach the level of planetary organism (holon level 6)... Notice that at each level, complexity increases exponentially, so for example the difference in complexity between a cell and a molecule is much larger than the difference in complexity between a molecule and an atom. The complexity level of a planetary organism is enormous. It's not easy to create a holon at level 6; just look at the history of humankind and the geological record here on earth. The birth of a planetary organism is a massive process. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > I see that you are seeking purpose. Purpose of posts e t c. You >>SAY<< it, you don't see it. Purpose is irrelevant here - you are doing the only thing you CAN do. You write what you see, so do I, so does everyone. The only difference, is are you THINKING first and writing later, or HEARING first, and writing it down - very, very hard to determine, UNTIL you can determine it. I see you are still jerking off in public. Megadoses of thoughts, which you do not author, but identify as " my thoughts " , and memorialize in electronic print, for who, AL? Us, we on this list, or you, yourself and you, you, all you all the time? > You are > trying to balance what is considered good/healthy thinking from > unhealthy/meaningless thinking. Nope. Clearly not an issue here. Perhaps... for you? And now, folks, we get yet another essay on a topic " Purpose and Complexity " , without regard to the interest level of the reader, but only as an exercise by AL - massaging his left lobe back and forth, forth and back, repeatedly, heatedly... ....and coming to a theatre near you! > > To unravel this we must first define what we mean by purpose. This is > difficult. We can write hundreds of doctoral papers on what purpose > is, what we actually mean by the word purpose, and we still would have > no full understanding of the word. > All you write above and below is theoretical, opinion, unprovable, defining unknown words by the use of other unknown words...and calling that knowledge... jerking off in public. It's all just creamy-colored and corny to the n-th degree, could you but see it, and SEE IT you must, because you can never see it for yourself until then. There is another, much more " in-your-face " , blood and gutsy way to understand the complex and the simple, and what is going on - in YOU, AL - which you fail to take into account. There is a mouthpiece behind your words - day after day after day - wildly opinionating and commenting on each and every post... just like entoomberhereafter, mrenlightenedoneindrag, and bunches of others, who just write (the way most people just talk) because " they like the sound of their own voices " in their head, blah, blah, blah. > However, the purpose of all life is complexity unfolding. Here we have > another huge challenge: how to define complexity? > > Ken Wilber's illustration of holons emerging at higher and higher > levels is I think a good description of how complexity unfolds. Wilber, you wanna talk about Wilber? You show your ignorance by referring to him... could you but see that. Fuck Wilber. Look inside yourself. If you can't develop your own view, then... F. U. I may - if you ask me real sweetly - comment further on how the complex consumes the simple in some, wherein mere opinionating and believing, becomes Thinking, becomes SEEING DIRECTLY, while in others, the simple only >>appears<< to be in control, especially in those who believe " I am in charge here!! I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!! " > > For me, a true holon is a fully coherent and integrated entity. A > nation, or an organisation for example are not true holons. An atom is > a true holon, and so is a molecule, a cell and a human being. Our > planet is not a true holon yet, but is about to become one through the > process of metamorphosis. Consciousness unfolds as: subatomic > particles, atoms, molecules, cells, multi-celled organisms (e.g. human > beings), planetary organisms (e.g. Gaia), ... > > Today our planet is only a tendency for planetary consciousness, an > embryo for a new level of holon. Some 15 billion years ago, > consciousness had only reached the level of atoms (holon level 2?); 3 > billion years ago, consciousness had reached the level of > single-celled organisms (holon level 4); 150 thousand years ago, > consciousness had reached the highest level of multi-celled organisms > (holon level 5); somewhere in the future, consciousness will here on > earth reach the level of planetary organism (holon level 6)... > > Notice that at each level, complexity increases exponentially, so for > example the difference in complexity between a cell and a molecule is > much larger than the difference in complexity between a molecule and > an atom. The complexity level of a planetary organism is enormous. > It's not easy to create a holon at level 6; just look at the history > of humankind and the geological record here on earth. The birth of a > planetary organism is a massive process. > > al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 - fmraerdy Nisargadatta Friday, April 22, 2005 5:11 PM Re: MegaTon of Shit Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > And the many. When humanity turns into Homo Harmonica the global > consciousness will give us the ability to shape-shift our bodies > into anything we want. One day you want to be a man, the next a > woman, or a bird, or... The Many. MegaTon of Shit, AL. Don't go takin' that the wrong way though. Your paragraph above, and the obvious zeal with which you expressed it - first to yourself, then to your fingers - is a classic example of jerking off in public, pardon my direct-pointing. These kinds of mental ejaculations - paragraph after paragraph of personal opinions, across days and days of daydreaming outloud - while being *somewhat* pleasant, in sensation, are more damaging to the organism, than the replenishing, of energy, presumed by thereby. I.e., you lose MORE than you gain, and you justify bigtime, so that next time it's easier, and easier, and easier, thereby dying, in thirds before your time. Of course, you'll never be able to SEE THAT, because the only one that can SEE THAT is the one who can, the rest can only read the words, and ejaculate some opinion all over it (to it - your ordinary brain operations - naked women are naked and stimulating first, beauty has little to do with it). Pardon my further direct pointing. But, not to fret; AL is not the only one here on this list and other similarly-setup lists subject to the same automatic mental masturbation (opinionation ad nauseum) stemming from ignorance (mental horniness), and self-pleasuring (beating off mentally) - 95% of the posters here are doing that in their own heads 95% of each and every day, and it comes through their fingertips, and out their mouths as... well, I probably shouldn't paint >>that<< picture for you, you can do that on your time. Ok, you twisted my arm: a megaton of sex energy diverted through the neural pathways, for the primary purpose of self-pleasuring - cream-colored corniness ad nauseum. just curious here, what floats your boat? l. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fmraerdy " <mybox234@b...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > I see that you are seeking purpose. Purpose of posts e t c. > > > You >>SAY<< it, you don't see it. > Purpose is irrelevant here - you are doing the only thing you CAN do. > You write what you see, so do I, so does everyone. > The only difference, is are you THINKING first and writing later, or > HEARING first, and writing it down - very, very hard to determine, > UNTIL you can determine it. > > I see you are still jerking off in public. > Megadoses of thoughts, which you do not author, but identify as " my > thoughts " , and memorialize in electronic print, for who, AL? Us, we > on this list, or you, yourself and you, you, all you all the time? > > > > You are > > trying to balance what is considered good/healthy thinking from > > unhealthy/meaningless thinking. > > Nope. Clearly not an issue here. Perhaps... for you? > > > And now, folks, we get yet another essay on a topic " Purpose and > Complexity " , without regard to the interest level of the reader, but > only as an exercise by AL - massaging his left lobe back and forth, > forth and back, repeatedly, heatedly... > ...and coming to a theatre near you! > > > > > To unravel this we must first define what we mean by purpose. This > is > > difficult. We can write hundreds of doctoral papers on what purpose > > is, what we actually mean by the word purpose, and we still would > have > > no full understanding of the word. > > > > All you write above and below is theoretical, opinion, unprovable, > defining unknown words by the use of other unknown words...and > calling that knowledge... jerking off in public. It's all just > creamy-colored and corny to the n-th degree, could you but see it, > and SEE IT you must, because you can never see it for yourself until > then. > > There is another, much more " in-your-face " , blood and gutsy way to > understand the complex and the simple, and what is going on - in YOU, > AL - which you fail to take into account. There is a mouthpiece > behind your words - day after day after day - wildly opinionating and > commenting on each and every post... just like entoomberhereafter, > mrenlightenedoneindrag, and bunches of others, who just write (the > way most people just talk) because " they like the sound of their own > voices " in their head, blah, blah, blah. > > > > However, the purpose of all life is complexity unfolding. Here we > have > > another huge challenge: how to define complexity? > > > > Ken Wilber's illustration of holons emerging at higher and higher > > levels is I think a good description of how complexity unfolds. > > Wilber, you wanna talk about Wilber? > You show your ignorance by referring to him... could you but see > that. Fuck Wilber. Look inside yourself. If you can't develop your > own view, then... F. U. > > I may - if you ask me real sweetly - comment further on how the > complex consumes the simple in some, wherein mere opinionating and > believing, becomes Thinking, becomes SEEING DIRECTLY, while in > others, the simple only >>appears<< to be in control, especially in > those who believe " I am in charge here!! I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING > ABOUT!! " > > > > > For me, a true holon is a fully coherent and integrated entity. A > > nation, or an organisation for example are not true holons. An atom > is > > a true holon, and so is a molecule, a cell and a human being. Our > > planet is not a true holon yet, but is about to become one through > the > > process of metamorphosis. Consciousness unfolds as: subatomic > > particles, atoms, molecules, cells, multi-celled organisms (e.g. > human > > beings), planetary organisms (e.g. Gaia), ... > > > > Today our planet is only a tendency for planetary consciousness, an > > embryo for a new level of holon. Some 15 billion years ago, > > consciousness had only reached the level of atoms (holon level 2?); > 3 > > billion years ago, consciousness had reached the level of > > single-celled organisms (holon level 4); 150 thousand years ago, > > consciousness had reached the highest level of multi-celled > organisms > > (holon level 5); somewhere in the future, consciousness will here on > > earth reach the level of planetary organism (holon level 6)... > > > > Notice that at each level, complexity increases exponentially, so > for > > example the difference in complexity between a cell and a molecule > is > > much larger than the difference in complexity between a molecule and > > an atom. The complexity level of a planetary organism is enormous. > > It's not easy to create a holon at level 6; just look at the history > > of humankind and the geological record here on earth. The birth of a > > planetary organism is a massive process. > > > > al. If I am correct, such massive process as I am talking about would grind my theory into silly gibberish, and if I am wrong I am making a public fool of myself proclaiming such preposterous ideas. So you see I have already " lost " . Your attempts to explain to me that I am making a fool of myself is therefore for me a bit redundant. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.